Treliving sucks

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$83,149,783	$0	$0	$350,217

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Knies, Matthew $925,000$925,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C NMC UFA - 1	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW NMC UFA - 2
Bertuzzi, Tyler $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 2	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW NMC UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 1	Domi, Max $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
Gregor, Noah $775,000$775,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Kämpf, David $2,400,000$2,400,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	McMann, Bobby $762,500$762,500 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Jones, Martin $875,000$875,000 G UFA - 1
Benoit, Simon $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1	McCabe, Jake $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Hildeby, Dennis $843,333$843,333 G RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Holmberg, Pontus $800,000$800,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Reaves, Ryan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 3	Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1
Lagesson, William $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Woll, Joseph $766,667$766,667 G RFA - 2	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Timmins, Conor $1,100,000$1,100,000 RD RFA - 2		Klingberg, John $4,150,000$4,150,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Jan. 4 at 7:37 p.m.

#1

Hakuna Matata

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Domi's been good dont know what your talking about lul

22 points for a 3c isnt bad production.

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok: 59.1xgf% thats higher than the Matthews line btw

Klingberg = LTIR cap space who cares same with Reaves rn

Kampf meh good penalty killing 4c. We saw what happened when he was a HS

Jones and Benoit also good

In general the one issue has been defense add a top 4 RD and play like they have on the Cali trip those numbers go up

Also your argument for FA is silly as in FA everyone gets to much thats how it works. But rn Coleman is worth every cent of that deal the way hes playing rn. Same with Kadri.

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Jan. 4 at 7:41 p.m.

#2

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Kampf, Reaves, Klingberg, and Samsonov’s money could’ve landed us Talbot, Sprong, Duchene, Acciari, and Soucy ON TOP of Bertuzzi and Domi

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Jan. 4 at 7:45 p.m.

#3

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Quoting: HShockey

Kampf, Reaves, Klingberg, and Samsonov’s money could’ve landed us Talbot, Sprong, Duchene, Acciari, and Soucy ON TOP of Bertuzzi and Domi

Acciari wanted to go with Dubas so he wasnt happening

Talbot is a product of a very good defensive team in front of him (1st in NHL) would have probs had OTT numbers here.

Soucy is a LD had 0 need for that considering Rielly, McCabe, Giordano

Sprong is basically a guy who puts up points but teams dont want to settle on him.

Only guy of interest would be Duchene. But meh Bertuzzi and Domi have been fine

22 points for Domi is good for a 3c at 3m

Bertuzzi its the playoffs were waiting for with him. Hes on pace for 40 points and has looked next to JT 0 concern. Look at the pass he made to Jarnkrok and notice the brace. Imagine if he was 100% might be on pace for 70

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Jan. 4 at 8:23 p.m.

#4

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The demise of the Leafs will be Treliving. He will lose. Nylander the same way he lost Johnny Hockey. Then he will make some dumb trade to try to recover be sending Marner to some team for a bag of Magic Beans like he did with MK.

I feel for the Leaf Fans

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Jan. 4 at 9:12 p.m.

#5

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Quoting: BadaBing

The demise of the Leafs will be Treliving. He will lose. Nylander the same way he lost Johnny Hockey. Then he will make some dumb trade to try to recover be sending Marner to some team for a bag of Magic Beans like he did with MK.

I feel for the Leaf Fans

You (a Habs fan) feels for us (Leaf fans) 🤯? Good one 😂😂😂

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Jan. 4 at 9:19 p.m.

#6

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I agree that it will be a terrible idea for Tre to give Willy Ny 11 mil. But he didn’t really screw up with his off-season additions. Domi, Bertuzzi and Kampf have all been fine. The only bad additions are Klingberg and Reavo. But Klingberg is on LTIR and Reaves can be buried in the minors for 200k. So even those 2 are mistakes yes but not huge problems. And we have yet to see the value in the main reason that we picked up Bert and Domi: playoff depth scoring. Don’t forget these guys were on fire last playoffs. If they continue to score like they did last year it could mean the difference in advancing farther or not

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Jan. 4 at 9:22 p.m.

#7

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Treliving is far from perfect but neither was Dubas.
Klingberg F; terrible
Reaves E; Leafs needed physical presence but too much $ & term
Kampf C; slight overpay but excellent defensive cebter - off to a rough start but getting back & has track record
Domi B-; exactly as expected - very good offensively, nightmare defensively
Tre built an excellent d corps in Calgary; since he inherited an excellent forward corps - may be the perfect marriage.
I say he needs time - weird to me that you can so firmly close the book on him ~40% through his 1st season when Leafs are in relatively good position.

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Jan. 4 at 10:27 p.m.

#8

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Quoting: aadoyle

Acciari wanted to go with Dubas so he wasnt happening

Talbot is a product of a very good defensive team in front of him (1st in NHL) would have probs had OTT numbers here.

Soucy is a LD had 0 need for that considering Rielly, McCabe, Giordano

Sprong is basically a guy who puts up points but teams dont want to settle on him.

Only guy of interest would be Duchene. But meh Bertuzzi and Domi have been fine

22 points for Domi is good for a 3c at 3m

Bertuzzi its the playoffs were waiting for with him. Hes on pace for 40 points and has looked next to JT 0 concern. Look at the pass he made to Jarnkrok and notice the brace. Imagine if he was 100% might be on pace for 70

Quoting: aadoyle

Acciari wanted to go with Dubas so he wasnt happening

Talbot is a product of a very good defensive team in front of him (1st in NHL) would have probs had OTT numbers here.

Soucy is a LD had 0 need for that considering Rielly, McCabe, Giordano

Sprong is basically a guy who puts up points but teams dont want to settle on him.

Only guy of interest would be Duchene. But meh Bertuzzi and Domi have been fine

22 points for Domi is good for a 3c at 3m

Bertuzzi its the playoffs were waiting for with him. Hes on pace for 40 points and has looked next to JT 0 concern. Look at the pass he made to Jarnkrok and notice the brace. Imagine if he was 100% might be on pace for 70

Quoting: aadoyle

Acciari wanted to go with Dubas so he wasnt happening

Talbot is a product of a very good defensive team in front of him (1st in NHL) would have probs had OTT numbers here.

Soucy is a LD had 0 need for that considering Rielly, McCabe, Giordano

Sprong is basically a guy who puts up points but teams dont want to settle on him.

Only guy of interest would be Duchene. But meh Bertuzzi and Domi have been fine

22 points for Domi is good for a 3c at 3m

Bertuzzi its the playoffs were waiting for with him. Hes on pace for 40 points and has looked next to JT 0 concern. Look at the pass he made to Jarnkrok and notice the brace. Imagine if he was 100% might be on pace for 70

Not saying they land all 5, but just emphasizing what we could have done with all that salary cap. We could add those guys ON top of Bert and Domi if they all wanted to sign. Reaves, Kampf, Klingberg, and Samsonov are literally the worst way possible to spend 11.5 million

Jan. 4 at 10:29 p.m.

#9

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Quoting: BadaBing

The demise of the Leafs will be Treliving. He will lose. Nylander the same way he lost Johnny Hockey. Then he will make some dumb trade to try to recover be sending Marner to some team for a bag of Magic Beans like he did with MK.

I feel for the Leaf Fans

The Leafs are about to sign Nylander LMAO. Friedman said it could be done by THIS WEEK..

If I were the Habs I would focus on my own team, don’t have a franchise goaltender to bail them from not having a superstar

Jan. 5 at 1:59 a.m.

#10

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Quoting: HShockey

Not saying they land all 5, but just emphasizing what we could have done with all that salary cap. We could add those guys ON top of Bert and Domi if they all wanted to sign. Reaves, Kampf, Klingberg, and Samsonov are literally the worst way possible to spend 11.5 million

My main point is he could have been less had he not tried to get "tough" in the off season. Now you are paying more than you needed too

Jan. 5 at 10:35 a.m.

#11

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Quoting: MitchMafia

Treliving is far from perfect but neither was Dubas.
Klingberg F; terrible
Reaves E; Leafs needed physical presence but too much $ & term
Kampf C; slight overpay but excellent defensive cebter - off to a rough start but getting back & has track record
Domi B-; exactly as expected - very good offensively, nightmare defensively
Tre built an excellent d corps in Calgary; since he inherited an excellent forward corps - may be the perfect marriage.
I say he needs time - weird to me that you can so firmly close the book on him ~40% through his 1st season when Leafs are in relatively good position.

His excellent Blueline in Calgary has often not been good at defending. He's overrated as a GM. He didn't build a winner in Calgary.

Jan. 5 at 11:50 a.m.

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Quoting: RipNasty

His excellent Blueline in Calgary has often not been good at defending. He's overrated as a GM. He didn't build a winner in Calgary.

Lots of GM’s haven’t built a winner - only one per year. I think he deserves time; Dubas did a lot of good but a lot bad things

Jan. 5 at 11:59 a.m.

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Quoting: MitchMafia

Lots of GM’s haven’t built a winner - only one per year. I think he deserves time; Dubas did a lot of good but a lot bad things

It's hard to judge Dubas. Shanahan has been meddling for years. Until we learn what moves Shanahan declined or forced its hard to say

Jan. 5 at 12:32 p.m.

#14

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Quoting: RipNasty

It's hard to judge Dubas. Shanahan has been meddling for years. Until we learn what moves Shanahan declined or forced its hard to say

Same argument can be used with Tre then; I don’t think Shanahan was telling Dubas or is telling Tre what to do … that would make no sense. But everyone answers to someone eventually, except maybe Taylor Swift

Jan. 5 at 1:06 p.m.

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Quoting: MitchMafia

Same argument can be used with Tre then; I don’t think Shanahan was telling Dubas or is telling Tre what to do … that would make no sense. But everyone answers to someone eventually, except maybe Taylor Swift

That has been talked about though. It's entirely why Dubas was let go. He wanted to streamline decision making so he could do his job without needing Shanahan's final word. Shanahan got rid of him after that. Apparently Dubas had a trade for Karlsson at last years deadline that didn't include a core player leaving and Shanahan didn't approve it. The word is he blocked several trades Dubas wanted to make and also forced others onto him. Since he fired a guy for wanting autonomy, do you think Treliving has autonomy? No chance.

So I will judge him on his past stuff and what's going on now. Although Shanahan definitely deserves blame as well.

Jan. 5 at 2:48 p.m.

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Quoting: RipNasty

That has been talked about though. It's entirely why Dubas was let go. He wanted to streamline decision making so he could do his job without needing Shanahan's final word. Shanahan got rid of him after that. Apparently Dubas had a trade for Karlsson at last years deadline that didn't include a core player leaving and Shanahan didn't approve it. The word is he blocked several trades Dubas wanted to make and also forced others onto him. Since he fired a guy for wanting autonomy, do you think Treliving has autonomy? No chance.

So I will judge him on his past stuff and what's going on now. Although Shanahan definitely deserves blame as well.

Dubas has full authority in Pittsburgh and how is that going? Just seems like you’ve closed the book on Tre awfully early - he’s made some some bad, but some good moves and team is sitting in pretty good spot right now. We’ll see after TDL but I respect you have a right to your opinion

Jan. 5 at 3:59 p.m.

#17

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Quoting: MitchMafia

Dubas has full authority in Pittsburgh and how is that going? Just seems like you’ve closed the book on Tre awfully early - he’s made some some bad, but some good moves and team is sitting in pretty good spot right now. We’ll see after TDL but I respect you have a right to your opinion

Yeah things haven't looked great in Pittsburgh but at the same time there was a lot of bad management there for a bit. And Dubas has had to pick up the pieces a bit.

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