No thank you

Going to need more than that if you want retention there sir

Vatrano???

Don't get greedy. If he returns to Earth, the Los Angeles Ducks of Anaheim will be looking for a 2nd, if that.

Not looking to trade him so

big no from ducks

He won't be a Duck when it matters, if Ducks got offered a first, they would have to consider it.

Lol ya vatrano ain't getting more than a 2nd and mid level pick or a younger player with some term left that is half decent plus a pick or another prospect.

He's got 21 goals on the season already, only one behind your franchise center, third on the Cannucks, and this trade proposal wants 50% retention this year, and next, and has to consider the inter divisional trade tax.



Based on what we have coming up the wings and that he consistently plays his best Hockey in Anaheim, it's more than likely we extend him.

That's the point, in a normal Franky season, he's not worth a first. At the moment, he's playing like it.

I think Anaheim is a location that could attract players like Killorn, or even better. Not sure they'd go after guys with term (Like a Reinhart), but a guy like Duchene could suddenly be a shorter term signing, play great and boost the Ducks, and the Ducks eventually benefit again in a trade. But hey, if you'd rather see him extended, it's all good.

It's a matter of having the "right" kind of veterans present to show the kids the way. Vatrano was the first of those signings, blue collar player, works his ass off every shift, never quits, hard to play against, menace on the fore check, etc. etc. add to that being able to pot 20+ goals a season on average, it takes some of the scoring pressure off the rookies in the top lines.

Him and Gudas have been the two great signings by Verbeek, Killorn and Strome less so.

If next season he's a 20 goal forward @ 3.6M AAV I think the Ducks would be perfectly happy with that. Certainly nothing you are giving them in this trade is going to score 20 goals.

Just think about the fact that Vatrano currently has double the goals scored of any other Ducks player (more or less... McTavish isn't *quite* half).

'Certainly nothing you are giving them in this trade is going to score 20 goals.' It's almost like first rounders don't matter lol. He's on a heater. Ducks could capitalize on it. All good though.

Yeah, they kind of don't when you're talking about a 25 OA or worse pick. The Canucks could easily win the presidents trophy. Added to the Ducks having a top 3 prospect pool already, another top 3 pick in the draft and two more 2nd rounders after that. It's not a huge stretch to say that pick you are offering is a lot more valuable to the Canucks than it is to the Ducks.

You say he's on a heater but he's really not. His shooting percentage is pretty normal for his career 14.7%. A tad higher than the career number 10.7 but he's had other stints this good or better. His PDO is below 100. Vatrano's season is a lot about ice time and opportunity and quality line mates. If Vancouver is going to stick him on line 3 without PP time absolutely his numbers will crash back down. The Ducks ain't gonna do that though.

Every year the playoff teams make these trades. No one else moves these picks.

He'd get on JTs line. Could be good or risky.

It's nuts that we spent pretty much all of last year arguing that JT Miller was worth a first and getting crushed by every other fan on this site and then now hearing Vatrano is worth (I don't even know because I guess the Ducks don't need first rounders anymore) first, fourth, prospect ++.

Horvat had 31 goals and 54 points (49 GP) when he was traded and we got a first, a B prospect and a cap dump. Horvat was a pending UFA but we also retained, and I think anyone with a brain knows Horvat is considerably better than Vatrano.

If you want to ignore all of the cap implications of why Miller and Horvat were available in the first place then go for it. The point you guys are missing is that the Ducks neither need to nor want to trade Vatrano. This isn't about value, it's about availability.

You also didn't trade Horvat to a division opponent. You sent him packing to the eastern conference for a pretty lack luster return largely because of the pending UFA status. Don't pretend stuff like this doesn't matter either.

It does matter but his price would no way be higher than this. This is good value. It's fine if you don't think he'll be moved and are happy with him in Anaheim. Those two things can be true at once.

Of Miller sure, although his contract looks like a bargain at this point anyway especially after the market appears to be resetting to PPG guys making $10-$12MM. Almost any team could have afforded Horvat at the TDL - maybe not all could've afforded his extension. The in division stuff is pretty pointless as well - it's not like the Canucks and Van are competing for the same playoff spot.

Fair enough if you just want to keep him - I thought your comment stating Canucks weren't giving up anything scoring 20 goals hinted it was towards value. I don't really understand why the ducks wouldn't want to sell a veteran on a career year but I don't follow your team.