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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump

Jan. 20 at 7:20 p.m.
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This team is not going anywhere this season. Sell at the deadline and fire the front office and coach
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Jan. 20 at 7:24 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 20 at 7:33 p.m.
Man the issues in that video on full display tonight lul

Forced play rarely have pressure goes out of the zone and bam



Doesnt help Jones aint great either but still the video aint wrong about this teams two main issues rn
Jan. 20 at 7:25 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 20 at 7:35 p.m.
I know it would have been a gamble but Sammy did good vs. Van their first meetup

Jones looks like hes been overused and now is coming down to earth
Jan. 20 at 7:36 p.m.
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This team decides to not show up?
Jan. 20 at 7:36 p.m.
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Jones is done lul
Jan. 20 at 7:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
This team decides to not show up?


In general were not very good in Van's building but this is just yea not good. For context were like 4-13-3

But hey the guys video is right all the issues being highlighted on full display

And Jones coming down to earth makes it worse lul
Jan. 20 at 7:39 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 20 at 8:00 p.m.
I knew tonight was probs gonna be a loss as in Van were 1-6-3 vs. them in their building

But did not think it was gonna be like this lul

And for further proof

Toronto 1-6-3 on road vs. Van but 9-1-0 at home
Vancouver 9-1-0 at home, 1-9 on road

So I guess u take that tradeoff?
Jan. 20 at 7:48 p.m.
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Gonna say it now and I hope he proves me wrong

Giving Willy that 11.5m was a mistake

Guys basically turned it off since signing that deal. And dont bring up the 2 assists in CGY. The guy we saw till he signed that deal is gone.

And when JT's up dont bring him back even at 5m

Walk away
Jan. 20 at 8:13 p.m.
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There's a goal worth 11.5 million dollars...
Jan. 20 at 8:21 p.m.
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This team decides to not show up?


The coach is garbage and the GM has signed a bunch of square pegs for round holes. It's a joke
Jan. 20 at 8:21 p.m.
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Gonna say it now and I hope he proves me wrong

Giving Willy that 11.5m was a mistake

Guys basically turned it off since signing that deal. And dont bring up the 2 assists in CGY. The guy we saw till he signed that deal is gone.

And when JT's up dont bring him back even at 5m

Walk away


tears of joy

He woke up right after I said this lul
Jan. 20 at 8:22 p.m.
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The coach is garbage and the GM has signed a bunch of square pegs for round holes. It's a joke


No team wanting to win allows 3 goals to start the game
Jan. 20 at 8:22 p.m.
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Gonna say it now and I hope he proves me wrong

Giving Willy that 11.5m was a mistake

Guys basically turned it off since signing that deal. And dont bring up the 2 assists in CGY. The guy we saw till he signed that deal is gone.

And when JT's up dont bring him back even at 5m

Walk away


You don't see anything but what you want to see. Willy has been very good. Doesn't score but hits the post a bunch and he has "disappeared". Nice to see him make you look ridiculous
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Jan. 20 at 8:22 p.m.
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You don't see anything but what you want to see. Willy has been very good. Doesn't score but hits the post a bunch and he has "disappeared". Nice to see him make you look ridiculous


He's been good this period but last 5 games before and the first period he really was not good
Jan. 20 at 8:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
No team wanting to win allows 3 goals to start the game


Not gonna lie game kind of reminds me of last Sat only reverse lul

But what I have noticed with this team so far

**** first period = good 2nd and 3rd period
Good first period = bad 2nd and **** 3rd period

Maybe thats how they like it
Jan. 20 at 8:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
No team wanting to win allows 3 goals to start the game


What's shocking is how no one changes anything. I read an article about leads this season. How they just don't last. Mainly because there is so much skill these days and if you give good teams time and chances while you just collapse and stop trying to score, you eventually let the skill guys back in it. Vancouver got a 3 goal lead and they go into a shell now it's 3-3 and they have no momentum. TO does the same thing, everyone does. Apart from Boston it seems, they play the same way whether they have a 1 goal lead or a 4 goal lead.

TO should always play like they want the next goal. They don't and they lose leads constantly.
Jan. 20 at 8:37 p.m.
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He's been good this period but last 5 games before and the first period he really was not good


Like I said you see what you want to see and nothing else.
Jan. 20 at 8:38 p.m.
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Not gonna lie game kind of reminds me of last Sat only reverse lul

But what I have noticed with this team so far

**** first period = good 2nd and 3rd period
Good first period = bad 2nd and **** 3rd period

Maybe thats how they like it


It's an NHL trope. Coaches think that if you get a lead you go full defensive and stop trying to score. You give any team enough zone time they'll score. Just keep trying to score the next one. Keefe doesn't change though but really what teams treats leads different?
Jan. 20 at 8:39 p.m.
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Like I said you see what you want to see and nothing else.


In general I am analyzing his play the whole season from before and after he signed not looking for what I want lul

Can think that but yea since signing that deal others can tell yah he was not looking good

Tonight this second period he seems to have woken up which is good

But he needs to keep this up as once you got an 11.5m price tag strapped to u now this had to be on a more regular basis
Jan. 20 at 8:39 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Not gonna lie game kind of reminds me of last Sat only reverse lul

But what I have noticed with this team so far

**** first period = good 2nd and 3rd period
Good first period = bad 2nd and **** 3rd period

Maybe thats how they like it


I would also like to say, Keefe's usage of Gio is just silly. Putting him on the point for the PP with Rielly in the box went as well as expected. Keefe sucks
Jan. 20 at 8:39 p.m.
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What's shocking is how no one changes anything. I read an article about leads this season. How they just don't last. Mainly because there is so much skill these days and if you give good teams time and chances while you just collapse and stop trying to score, you eventually let the skill guys back in it. Vancouver got a 3 goal lead and they go into a shell now it's 3-3 and they have no momentum. TO does the same thing, everyone does. Apart from Boston it seems, they play the same way whether they have a 1 goal lead or a 4 goal lead.

TO should always play like they want the next goal. They don't and they lose leads constantly.


That's what I'm saying

Every shift the Leafs take should be played like it's their last shift of hockey ever
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Jan. 20 at 8:40 p.m.
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In general I am analyzing his play the whole season from before and after he signed not looking for what I want lul

Can think that but yea since signing that deal others can tell yah he was not good

Tonight this second period he seems to have woken up which is good


You miss everything that doesn't fit your opinion. Been like this for ages.
Jan. 20 at 8:42 p.m.
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Jesus Jones is not good rn lul

But yea that turnover by Willy and Rielly also not good
Jan. 20 at 8:43 p.m.
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That's what I'm saying

Every shift the Leafs take should be played like it's their last shift of hockey ever


Totally but coaches are stubborn and the "correct way" to play is go into the shell when you have a lead. No matter what.

There's a football coach I saw an article on once who never punted. He always gambled and the numbers supported it. They statistically had more success gambling than punting. Giving up possession was always a worse idea.

Anyone who does anything different in hockey is ridiculed and a coach who doesn't go into a shell with the lead wouldn't get a job.
Jan. 20 at 8:43 p.m.
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Jesus Jones is not good rn lul

But yea that turnover by Willy and Rielly also not good


Can't blame him on that one. Just bounced up over his glove
 
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