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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump

Jan. 20 at 8:44 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Totally but coaches are stubborn and the "correct way" to play is go into the shell when you have a lead. No matter what.

There's a football coach I saw an article on once who never punted. He always gambled and the numbers supported it. They statistically had more success gambling than punting. Giving up possession was always a worse idea.

Anyone who does anything different in hockey is ridiculed and a coach who doesn't go into a shell with the lead wouldn't get a job.


So dumb...
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Jan. 20 at 8:44 p.m.
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PULL JONES
Jan. 20 at 8:44 p.m.
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Can't blame him on that one. Just bounced up over his glove


Hes been bad this whole game. That was an easy stop

4 goals on 16 shots = not good 3 were stinkers.

Leafs battled back from down 3-0 and thats what he lets in

Granted starts off a willy tunover and Brodie being useless stopping the play on the second attempt but still cant be allowing back breakers last min of periods
Jan. 20 at 8:48 p.m.
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Van's bottom 6 is just pounding us rn lul

2 goals from Hoglander and 2 from Garland

They just outworking the boyz rn. No matter who Keefe throws out there.

Jones has not been great tonight along with certain defensive plays and or Dman (Brodie)


Great to come back from 3-0 but then allowing that in the final minute just feels so Leafy

Also im scared when Van gets its first PP lul

Anyways just play like u did most of that second and not the final 3mins and probs be fine
Jan. 20 at 8:57 p.m.
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Keefe just try Rielly-Liligren once just once to move Brodie down lul

Guys just not been good these past few and while Liligren has not been a shining gem just try it for a bit
Jan. 20 at 9:05 p.m.
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Huh. Apparently Liljegren is keefes most used D when the leafs are leading, OR trailing, but rarely used when tied.

Not sure I've ever seen that before
Weird
Jan. 20 at 9:07 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Hes been bad this whole game. That was an easy stop

4 goals on 16 shots = not good 3 were stinkers.

Leafs battled back from down 3-0 and thats what he lets in

Granted starts off a willy tunover and Brodie being useless stopping the play on the second attempt but still cant be allowing back breakers last min of periods


I am not defending any of the other goals but that 4th one was unlucky.
Jan. 20 at 9:07 p.m.
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Huh. Apparently Liljegren is keefes most used D when the leafs are leading, OR trailing, but rarely used when tied.

Not sure I've ever seen that before
Weird


Keefe doesn't make any sense
Jan. 20 at 9:10 p.m.
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Huh. Apparently Liljegren is keefes most used D when the leafs are leading, OR trailing, but rarely used when tied.

Not sure I've ever seen that before
Weird


Keefe has his habits

Using Brodie with Rielly even when its not working (especially Brodie)

Having mixed relations with new players

Not pulling goalies when they rough

And yea I feel this is just like the Sandin treatment all over again. Heck look what hes doing with Robertson

Kids wont grow and learn if u dont play em or use em in every situation
Jan. 20 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Keefe has his habits

Using Brodie with Rielly even when its not working (especially Brodie)

Having mixed relations with new players

Not pulling goalies when they rough

And yea I feel this is just like the Sandin treatment all over again. Heck look what hes doing with Robertson

Kids wont grow and learn if u dont play em or use em in every situation


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Keefe doesn't make any sense


So I am suddenly VERY confident that we can trade Brodie out with few consequences
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Jan. 20 at 9:13 p.m.
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So I am suddenly VERY confident that we can trade Brodie out with few consequences


Watch Keefe still not use Liligren and just use Lagesson or Timmins more

This man has his guys and the guys outside the loop just are HS or used sparingly

Robertson, Sandin, Liligren so far. One got moved and looked betterish

Like watch we trade Brodie and Keefe gonna do

Rielly-Lagesson lul
Jan. 20 at 9:16 p.m.
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Keefe get Jones out of the net hes cooked

And man Keefe's idea of having Nylander PK over Matthews whose been such a 2-way force this year makes 0 sense

Heck we have Holmberg
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Jan. 20 at 9:17 p.m.
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So I am suddenly VERY confident that we can trade Brodie out with few consequences


Depends on what you replace him with, if we indeed find ourselves still in a playoff spot. I don't think it'll happen with Keefe.
Jan. 20 at 9:19 p.m.
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Knies-Domi-Jarnkrok has been so bad lul
Jan. 20 at 9:22 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 20 at 9:28 p.m.
So leafy this game lul

Come back only to blow it lul

Jones 6 goals on 20 shots ew

PP 0/3

PK 0/2

One and a half line going tonight if we can even call it that

A line being a liability

Thats Toronto hockey for yah lul
Jan. 20 at 9:23 p.m.
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PULL JONES
Jan. 20 at 9:24 p.m.
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PULL JONES


They wont its to late. They got a game tomorrow and Keefe's sticking with his guy

The time to pull was after the first period
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Jan. 20 at 9:25 p.m.
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Whoever's the PK coach may get fired before Keefe lul

And it sucks as Dean Chynoweth was good in Carolina
Jan. 20 at 9:29 p.m.
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Depends on what you replace him with, if we indeed find ourselves still in a playoff spot. I don't think it'll happen with Keefe.


Replaced with Liljegren. We could fill in the bottom pair with one of our guys - or bring in a bottom 4 Dman by trade. I don't really want to move Brodie (especially with what he is going through off ice) but we need to take the temptation for Keefe to overplay him away
Jan. 20 at 9:33 p.m.
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All eyes will be on Sammy tomorrow

He has a good game or does not allow 3 goals he will be probs the starter from here on out
Jan. 20 at 9:39 p.m.
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Replaced with Liljegren. We could fill in the bottom pair with one of our guys - or bring in a bottom 4 Dman by trade. I don't really want to move Brodie (especially with what he is going through off ice) but we need to take the temptation for Keefe to overplay him away


Keefe just makes no sense when it comes to this honestly

Young promising Dman, sees old man struggle nah lets play him over the youngster

Seeing it on two seperate occasions this year with Gio and Brodie rn

Think we can all agree sitting Gio and playing Lagesson may not be such a bad idea right?

Like what has Gio done this season to keep his spot

Then Brodie, man he just looks dead this season. The defense has been bad and he does nothing offensively or transitionally. Reminds me of Dumo in his final year in Pitt

They fixed it by dropping him to the third pair.

Rielly-Liligren
Benoit-McCabe
Lagesson-Brodie
Jan. 20 at 9:41 p.m.
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Replaced with Liljegren. We could fill in the bottom pair with one of our guys - or bring in a bottom 4 Dman by trade. I don't really want to move Brodie (especially with what he is going through off ice) but we need to take the temptation for Keefe to overplay him away


I am all for giving Liljegren more. But if you take out Brodie who gets more ice time, Benoit? Gio? That's not going to help. That's a net loss. Just giving Brodie less and Liljegren more would be smarter. But Keefe won't. He's riding Gio for crying out loud. You take out Brodie and Keefe has Gio playing 20+ minutes and Rielly 40 minute a night
Jan. 20 at 9:42 p.m.
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Keefe just makes no sense when it comes to this honestly

Young promising Dman, sees old man struggle nah lets play him over the youngster

Seeing it on two seperate occasions this year with Gio and Brodie rn

Think we can all agree sitting Gio and playing Lagesson may not be such a bad idea right?

Like what has Gio done this season to keep his spot

Then Brodie, man he just looks dead this season. The defense has been bad and he does nothing offensively or transitionally. Reminds me of Dumo in his final year in Pitt

They fixed it by dropping him to the third pair.


Timmins should be playing.
Jan. 20 at 9:42 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Timmins should be playing.


Timmins is not good defensively though not what we need at this time

We dont need another 1-way guy playing rn
Jan. 20 at 9:43 p.m.
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Jarnkrok on the PP with an extra skater, they literally gave Bertuzzi 5 million for these moments.
 
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