The difference between 50% and 52% holds little value. But a guy who is LEADING the league in faceoff % would hold a lot of value. Even if it is only for the PK. Winning faceoffs on the PK is crazy important. It's definitely not the most valuable stat, but it does hold value. McLeod is amongst the best in the WORLD at it. That matters and it matters ALOT.

His faceoff percentage is so high that when you rank from best to worst on faceoff percentage on the TSN site, McLeod isn't there. Because they assume people with that high percentage have only taken 5 draws, so they get screened out. And no I am not making this up. He is at 66% in over 600 faceoffs. The best in the league when you rank them is 62.3%. So somewhere between those 2 numbers, TSN has a screen out mechanism (I assume it's at 65%).

All to say, McLeod is so good at faceoffs this year, that he broke TSN's website. If you think that holds ZERO value, then I don't know what else to say to you.

Try it yourself - https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/statistics

Actually it’s quite easy to obtain a goalie with Samsonov history. They seem to come available for free quite often.

Like when he was not given a QO by Washington

Or when he was placed on waivers

Or when he’ll hit UFA this year.

Domi does not make our top 6 better. He’s a downgrade from McLeod.

Just take the "L"

Its a brutal trade.

Who are you arguing with? I was just arguing that Domi does not hold negative value, like you stated. I was not supporting this AGM or trade one bit. It clearly makes zero sense for NJD and I agree with you there.

Nothing at you, Brian...apologies if anything misdirected.

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Both teams decline with zero hesitancy

Faceoffs are the most overvalued stat. Dozens a game and about 2 of them matter.
It isnt something worth assigning any meaningful trade value to



Sammy not getting a QO was a shock, and he didn't have the same history as he did now. We know he can be a starter in this league, that wasn't true 1.5 years ago.

Waivers at his absolute lowest point on a full value contract. A deadline deal after what should be some recovery at half cost is not the same at all

We're talking in season. Goalies don't move mid year very often. You'll be hard pressed to find a guy who could potentially help you to the extent Sammy could.

And you just straight up undervalue Domi vs your guy



There are certain posters on this website, who when they hate an idea almost always means it's a good idea.

You are one of them



Heavily disagree on that- obviously

The devils have a bounce back candidate on their roster in Vitek Vanacek.

Samsonov has been the worst goalie in hockey this year.

As bad as Vanacek has been, Samsonov has been MUCH worse.

If you retain 50% and throw in a pick to dump him we’ll take him.

Yes Sammy is a bounceback candidate, that doesn't mean he would cost a pick at half cost, or even be negative value. That's because there isn't a large market of competitors and his upside is signifigant. 10 bad games vs an entire year and playoffs.

Moreover leafs have plenty of cap. We have no need to move that money. We are not under any pressure to do it so you won't have that affecting trade value

So if I post a trade that a leafs fan hates...then its a good idea?

Samsonov has negative value. We don't want him at any price.
Domi probably does not have negative value at $1.5m (he would at $3.0m)...but he is UFA.

McLeod is a significantly better overall player making less money and is RFA.

The devils have no interest in taking that risk. There is no point where I’d be willing to stick Samsonov on the ice in the tight metro and see if he’s maybe stopped being garbage.

There isn’t a team that would be interested.

You’d be looking for a team:

Basically guaranteed to make the playoffs, needs a goalie, has cap space and no other needs.

Edmonton is still far too much in the thick of the playoff race to be sending Samsonov out there, and have no cap space.

LAK also again can’t risk sending Samsonov out there.

Same with NJD, Car

Florida has 2 goalies playing well and a 3rd stud in the AHL, Boston has 2 studs, NYR has Igor and Quick playing well, and won’t waste cap space on Samsonov. Vancouver has their goalies, as does Winnipeg and VGK

Colorado maybe you can try and sell to, but they probably just use their cap on a center or Valeri replacement

Dallas maybe, but again would much rather use their cap somewhere else.

And any team out of the playoff hunt has no interest. Not worth the money when you can barely even flip him even if he starts to click because he only has 1 year left

GAR

McLeod: 10.4
Domi: 2.5
Samsonov -11.3

So Leafs would have to make up a 19.2 shortfall.....And pay for Mcleods remaining RFA years

Use any metric one would like (Athletic player values. GF% or xGF%. Just straight eyeball test) and Leafs are woefully short here.

Hmm, a bunch of suitors with a small amount of real options. The whole "Sammy is negative value" thing really doesn't make sense.

I can sympathize with you not wanting to play him based on the hope he rebounds. I don't even disagree, but if it comes down to a continuation of what you have (which is NOT working at all), or changing something in the hopes it gets better - I'd rather do that latter, personally

There are 0 suitors for Samsonov.

Guy lists a ton of suitors
"There are no suitors"

I list a bunch of teams with no interest and explained why they'd have no interest? did you not read it.

Any team out of the playoffs: no interest (even if he bounces back he can't be flipped due to lack of term): that eliminates
Any team on the verge of the playoffs/in a wildcard spot: No interest as they cannot risk giving samsonov starts and him tanking their season

That eliminates everyone but the 12 teams in a division spot right now:

1st let's eliminate any team with quality goaltending: Boston, Florida, NYR, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Vegas, Dallas, Philly

Now let's eliminate any team without cap space: Edmonton

Carolina does not have nearly enough of a cushion to risk giving Samsonov starts.

That leaves 1 suitor that would even be a maybe.

Colorado
they have 2 better goalies right now and much bigger needs to fill.

At best if you gave him away 50% retained maybe you could get a bite

Sounds like suitors to me - given that is exactly what I'm offering

Well go start asking other teams bc NJD has no interest at all.

3 other goalies we'd rather give starts to

see now we're just going in circles

Oilers will move McLeod to the wing or will try holloway there. they are not giving up a 24 year old homegrown center on pace for almost 20 goals and 40 pts under contract for 2 more years at 2 million for a rental.

I get why you like him (Its why I like him to) but I could totally see Kenny doing something like this. Bert is out producing even in a "down" year, comes with that big name value - plays the right way and can help round out your top 6. If you think this is your year - why not (especially if they think they can sign him)

Ive given you nothing but arguments, you apparently are not getting it.
Homerism? Your own fanbase say this trade values blows.
McLeod is a top 6 because he has to be, not because of who he is!
Sammy's value (cheap) makes it good, are you drunk? The only G worse than Vitek right now (tuff to do btw) is Sammy. "You won't find better value? " wow that's bad!
You're not very good at this!

Sammy sucks more! Omg the guy was waived! Our guy should be too, but similarly won't be claimed, why, they suck! Keep Domi in the 1C spot, we don't want him. McLeod is playing up as you noted above and having the best year of his career. You repmy us trade him to an Eastern team. Yeah duh!