Edmundson has back to back major back injuries and he still got a 3rd

Theres countless examples of players who have produced less than both Savard and Monahan going for 1st ++

Same guys on here that say Mony isn’t worth much pointing out his possession numbers and that a lot of his points come on the PP are the same guys failing to mention that he plays on one of the worst possession teams in the league and has been saddled for the most part with line mates that aren’t the best play drivers. Know when he does have offensive line mates? On the PP, and most of his assists on the PP are primary meaning he’s been the setup man in a lot of cases. Him being in the top ten FO% doesn’t hurt either.

With that being said if I were a contending team that were interested I’d be a little apprehensive about his physicality. At the height of his career in Calgary he was a hitting machine, this season he has less than 10. Is this him changing his game just because he’s getting older and playing a more cerebral game or an indication that he’s afraid his body can’t take the strain anymore of a physical game and how will that translate to playoff hockey?

My stats were taken from the NHL's website so pretty sure they are more accurate than moneypuck. As for the breakdown, you're right, I did make a typo mistake when indicating assists instead of points. So Savard has 11 pts 5v5 and Monahan has 16 pts 5v5.

My man. Let's look at Monahan vs Nylander vs Kucherov.
%Points 5v5
Mon: 55%
Nyl: 57%
Kuch: 52%

Points / Ranking / Percentile 5v4
Mon: 13 / 36th / 83%
Nyl: 19 / 10th / 98%
Kuch: 31 / 1st / 99%
Out of 213 forwards with 55+ min 5v4

Points / Ranking / Percentile 5v5
Mon: 16 / 134th / 50%
Nyl: 25 / 34th / 87%
Kuch: 34 / 2nd / 99%
Out of 267 forwards with 450+ min 5v5

So if a guy is 83 percentile on the PP and 50% 5v5, doesn't that tell you something?

Let's put it another way. If you took a test and it said you were 85th percentile in math and 50th percentile in literature, should you concentrate on STEM or French Poetry? Now, maybe you just haven't been taught much about literature and if you get the resources you will look better. But, maybe you aren't good at it.

So, if your argument is that Monahan would look better with better linemates, that is fine. I don't agree but it is a valid argument.

Stop bringing up much better players and trying to tie them to Monahan. They are on different planets.

Look at it this way, if you want to compare Monahan to another player, swap them in your mind. Does Monahan have similar numbers to said player? Then be very critical. Why do you think yes? Is it based on reality or emotion?

It absolutely tells me something, it tells me his linemates can't hit the broad side of a barn with a pitchfork!

You keep missing the point and focusing on comparing the players over the generalization. All players not just Nylander and Kucherov, all players outside of like 10% of the league, score at close to the same rate on the PP and 5 on 5. This is not a comparison of players, it's a generalization, only the top players in the league have significantly higher 5 on 5 points than PP points, this is because they are the best players in the league! I wasn't tying anyone to Monahan, you keep trying to do thar, I was simply saying that players who don't score significantly more points on the PP vs 5 on 5 aren't PP specialists.

In their defense, Monahan is also only shooting 7%.

Again, he is in the 83rd percentile of scorers on the PP. He is in the 50th percentile for scorers 5v5. Maybe (just maybe) he would look better with better linemates 5v5.

So to give that argument it's fair shake I looked up his most common linemates
They are: (xgoals / goals / points / shooting % / corsi / shooting talent above average)

Evans: 4.4 / 2 / 12 / 6% / 44% / -17%
Anderson: 9.6 / 5 / 8 / 7.5% / 41% / 0%
Pearson: 3.2 / 3 / 6 / 8.5% / 47% / 2%
Gallagher: 10.5 / 7 / 12 / 8% / 50% / -7%

Comparing Monahan in the same format:
5.5 / 4 / 16 / 7% / 45% / 2%

OP has him playing with Malkin and Rakell so let's see where they would come in. I'm also going to put Smith in as he could also be a linemate.
Malkin: 6.9 / 11 / 22 / 16% / 53% / 10%
Rakell: 6.9 / 3 / 11 / 5% / 55% / 4%
Smith: 7.3 / 7 / 14 / 11% / 52% / 1%

So, to your point, Monahan would likely do much better with the line proposed by OP.

My point is that it is a risk to the buying team as they are purchasing based on speculation of Monahan getting better.

I think we can both be right on those points.

Can we agree on that much?

Chart Boyz!

I kinda see the Pens as all in

I do too. Their underlying numbers are great but if they don't start winning games....