Scratches are just fill ins, I know none of those guys are ready. Also I made this roster before Jake went on his tear, I think he probably gets like 1mil more then this now. In which case, give him 6.5mil and run a 22 man roster.

Whats the purpose of moving Geekie?

frees a little more cap space

i want nothing to do with that hertl contract. take out lysell and the first, and its still a no

Cap is expected to go up like 9mil over the next 2 seasons, 8 mil for a top 6 center is gonna be a steal very soon.

he's in his 30s, isn't worth the contract now, and is very unlikely to get anything but worse. stay far far away from that contract.

This trade I think is fair value (maybe favors Boston a little bit), but i think it would take an over payment to get hertl out of SJ. Grier has said multiple times everyone is available but hertl, and of hertl is gone it would really hurt the development of our prospects. The current timeline that Grier put out is trying to be competitive (pushing but maybe not getting a playoff spot) in 2-3 years and hertl would still be a valuable piece at that time.

This guy doesnt watch the sharks

its hard to because they're so bad. i've seen enough of hertl to know what he is, and he's not an $8M+ player.

I’m comfortable with Hertl, but I’d rather sign Hanifin in the offseason and focus on extending both DeBrusk and Frederic while developing Poitras.

I’d prefer Hertl’s contract to Lindholm’s if push came to shove. My guess is Hertl immediately costs you DeBrusk in terms of long term contracts and would like Lysell there if that’s the case. My guess is a #1, Merkulov, and a 3rd would probably be sufficient as opposed to including Lysell

I dont blame you for not watching the sharks lol, but I would disagree. He is in that category for sure but he’s definitely not a star. He is a facilitator, if you put him on a line with two good players he will make them better and he will succeed, unfortunately the sharks have hertl, couture and 10 bottom 6 players at the moment.

It’ll take more than a mid-late 1rst and a 170 of F to get Hertl.

sure. he can be a good 2C with some good wingers. That's not worth $8M. The bruins have that guy for $5M and change.

Tommy is a legit 1c but for sure not an elite 1c, with rising cap 8m for that type of player will for sure be commonplace

he's at best a fringe 1C getting paid like a very very good 1C, and paid until he's 36. No interest whatsoever without heavy retention.

Very good 1Cs get paid a lot more than 8 million, and with cap going up those numbers are only going up. Prolly starting next year any long term deal for a true 1C starts at 10 unless clubs can convince young guys to sign the long term deals like Ottawa and buffalo did. Imo players shouldn’t accept deals like that.

if you go on capfriendly's active player page, sort by caphit, and list centers, there's probably only one guy ahead of hertl that hertl might be better than. that's PLD. his contract is terrible. Then you have some guys that are older, and toward the end of massive contracts (they were elite), and you have guys that are just worlds better than Hertl. Sure, maybe that number is just the cost of doing business, but those deals usually end poorly. I wouldn't pick him up off waivers personally. No interest whatsover. Luckily, San Jose fell on their sword, and took him off the market.

This is just a crazy take lmao

most of it isn't even subjective, just factual. anyone else that gets paid more than hertl that you think hertl is better than? or do you just not have a reasonable counterpoint so you said lmao and moved on?

He’s paid as the 22nd highest paid center which i would say reflects his ability. He would be putting up way better numbers if had literally any support. I think his contract was/is fair but the sharks do not have the pieces to put him in the best position to succeed. He’s not a game breaker by any means but he’s a legit 1c.

You have also tried to objectify a completely subjective topic. Saying something is objective does not make it so.

oh the topic of whether or not he was a 1C is certainly subjective. I used objective truths to make my case though. both can exist.

22nd highest paid center makes it sound okay....until you realize that he's 45th among centers in points - and before we start in on this, no, he isn't some defensive stud. he's okay defensively. not bad, but nothing special - then there are actually guys ahead of him on the pay scale that kinda suck too. Backstrom, Seguin, PLD, and wtf, why is Laine listed as a center?

2 years left on the deal? sure. that can work on the trade market. 3-4 years...can probably talk your way into that. 7 years, for a guy that's already overpaid, and just not that good in the first place, with signing bonuses that makes a buyout hard? no way. he's just not going to have value on the trade market.

Brother it is so obvious that you dont watch other teams at all. Name a single other offensive threat on the sharks roster. He has no support. Laine has been triad at center for like a month this year. The sharks best defender is Mario Ferraro, who could have a good defensive impact on this team. Ranking players is for the most part a subjective exercise until you get to extremes.

I like how years later, you are still frequently arguing against Hertl to the bruins.

He has argued against Hertl for almost 4 years now, I wouldn't bother.

Fair enoughhhhhh lol