Does This Make Sense

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Created by: Mr_Gardoki

Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 1, 2024

Published: Feb. 1, 2024

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The proposed deal below is not a finished deal. These are just the key players in the deal, so first:

1) Does this even make sense for the Senators to begin with? Graves has just been a poor fit with this team, but has a proven track record otherwise, so I get there's probably hesitancy for Sens fans.

2) If this makes sense for the Sens, without doing the Capfriendly-Overvalue-Shuffle, is 1-for-1 enough?

3) If not 1-for-1, what would need to be added? Off limits futures from the Pens: 1st, Pickering and Yager.

Trades

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Petry: $1,562,500 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$83,500,000	$80,254,342	$0	$0	$3,245,658

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 5
Smith, Reilly $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Malkin, Evgeni $6,100,000$6,100,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Rakell, Rickard $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew $925,000$925,000 LW UFA - 2	Eller, Lars $2,450,000$2,450,000 C UFA - 2	Carter, Jeff $3,125,000$3,125,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 1
Harkins, Jansen $850,000$850,000 LW UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	White, Colin $775,000$775,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris $6,100,000$6,100,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Jarry, Tristan $5,375,000$5,375,000 G M-NTC UFA - 5
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Nedeljkovic, Alex $1,500,000$1,500,000 G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier $825,000$825,000 LD RFA - 1	Ruhwedel, Chad $800,000$800,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Nieto, Matt $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
		Ludvig, John $775,000$775,000 LD RFA - 2

Feb. 1 at 12:57 p.m.

hero9154

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Ottawa would want RHD. They have Chabot and Sanderson signed long term in the top 4 on the left hand side.

Pittsburgh would have to add significantly.

Feb. 1 at 12:58 p.m.

Claesson4Norris

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There's no amount of tweaking that would make a deal around these two work at all for Ottawa. Graves is a massive downgrade, on a straight up bad contract. It doesn't make Ottawa better, it doesn't address the imbalance of LD/RD on the blueline (the only reason you even consider moving Chychrun), they get older and they lose so much cap value. Complete nonstarter for Ottawa on a fundamental level.

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Feb. 1 at 12:59 p.m.

Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: hero9154

Ottawa would want RHD. They have Chabot and Sanderson signed long term in the top 4 on the left hand side.

Pittsburgh would have to add significantly.

I don't think Pittsburgh could add enough to make it make sense

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Feb. 1 at 1:01 p.m.

Mr_Gardoki

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

My line of thought is that Graves is the style of dman they're missing and with the reports that OTT may be moving Chychrun, it might be a match, but I can understand why it may not make sense.

Feb. 1 at 1:02 p.m.

Mr_Gardoki

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Quoting: hero9154

Ottawa would want RHD. They have Chabot and Sanderson signed long term in the top 4 on the left hand side.

Pittsburgh would have to add significantly.

Fair enough.

Feb. 1 at 1:02 p.m.

hero9154

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I don't think Pittsburgh could add enough to make it make sense

Yeah I agree. Graves contract is not going to age well.

Feb. 1 at 1:06 p.m.

Dink32788

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If the deal is involving Graves it’s going to also involve TWO of the untouchables you listed…

Feb. 1 at 1:33 p.m.

Borocop

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I mean yeah its been said already but its not even close as a 1 for 1, and to offset one of the untouchables would probably need to be touched

Feb. 1 at 1:55 p.m.

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I dont see what's in it for Ottawa. EK65 might make more sense but even then I'm not sure they'd do it

Feb. 1 at 3:06 p.m.

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

My line of thought is that Graves is the style of dman they're missing and with the reports that OTT may be moving Chychrun, it might be a match, but I can understand why it may not make sense.

Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

My line of thought is that Graves is the style of dman they're missing and with the reports that OTT may be moving Chychrun, it might be a match, but I can understand why it may not make sense.

Sure he's the style of dman they need, but his defensive results aren't actually all that hot, and he shoots left anyway, which doesn't address the other concern on the blueline. Age, cap hit, term, play, none of it adds up for Ottawa, and you're not even willing to move any of the futures Ottawa would obviously need to make this remotely worth it. You don't get a 25 year old top pair Dman on a cheap deal if you're only willing to move pieces you aren't worried about losing/ actively want to be rid of.

Feb. 1 at 4:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

It's not a fit. I get that. Just seemed like there could be mutual benefits to this trade.

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Feb. 1 at 5:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

It's not a fit. I get that. Just seemed like there could be mutual benefits to this trade.

I don't agree

Feb. 1 at 6:02 p.m.

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I don't agree

I literally agreed I can see it's not a fit. I was explaining my original thought process. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing?

Feb. 1 at 8:30 p.m.

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

I literally agreed I can see it's not a fit. I was explaining my original thought process. Do you just like arguing for the sake of arguing?

I wasn't arguing, just stating we see things differently.

Feb. 1 at 8:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

I wasn't arguing, just stating we see things differently.

Dude, I said I agree with you and then you said I disagree lol

Feb. 1 at 8:51 p.m.

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Claesson4Norris

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Dude, I said I agree with you and then you said I disagree lol

I was disagreeing about it being mutually beneficial. Sorry for miscommunication

Feb. 8 at 9:08 a.m.

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wow this trade is brutal Sens would want a much better package and graves would not be included

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