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Created by: Kravtsov_Stan

Team: 2023-24 New York Rangers

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 7, 2024

Published: Feb. 7, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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For the last few weeks the Rangers and Avalanche have been scouting eachother a good bit.

This isn't a trade more so just brainstorming possible peices that could be going both ways.

Kakko - would play well in Colorado's system and has been training with Rantenen and Lehkonen for the last few seasons. Rumored to be on the outs for the rangers

Johansen - had the best seasons of his career with headcoach Peter Laviolette and has struggled with Colorado who have been rumored to be looking to move him for cap space. Rangers need a center and some have sold for high values already. Id be very curious what Johansen's value is as a player who has a year left on a contract the team considers an overpay. Is it a cap dump? Or is it just low value? Is there retention?

Ryan Lindgren - I sorta doubt this one because of his role on the team but if Drury thinks Lindgren is asking for too much money then its possible he might want to trade him out for a player he feels better about. This would only work if Drury has another trade lined up that he can get a top 4 LD

Byram - Again like Lingren I doubt he gets traded although I have seen some Avs fans float his name out there. The rangers badly wanted him in 2019 and even offered Kreider+ for the 4OA pick that year. Byram has struggled a bit but I'm still not sure Colorado would want to give up on him yet.

Trades

NYR

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Any other players who Colorado would ship out?

COL

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Any other NYR players that would make sense for Colorado?

Buyouts

Brad Richards: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$81,866,583	$610,892	$882,500	$1,633,417

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Panarin, Artemi $11,642,857$11,642,857 LW NMC UFA - 3	Trocheck, Vincent $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, RW NMC UFA - 6	Lafrenière, Alexis $2,325,000$2,325,000 LW, RW RFA - 2
Kreider, Chris $6,500,000$6,500,000 LW NMC UFA - 4	Zibanejad, Mika $8,500,000$8,500,000 C NMC UFA - 7	Wheeler, Blake $800,000$800,000 ($300,000$300K) RW NTC UFA - 1
Cuylle, Will $828,333$828,333 ($82,500$82K) LW RFA - 2	Johansen, Ryan $4,000,000$4,000,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Vesey, Jimmy $800,000$800,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Brodzinski, Jonny $762,500$762,500 C UFA - 1	Goodrow, Barclay $3,641,667$3,641,667 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 4	Pitlick, Tyler $787,500$787,500 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Byram, Bowen $3,850,000$3,850,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Fox, Adam $9,500,000$9,500,000 RD UFA - 6	Shesterkin, Igor $5,666,667$5,666,667 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Miller, K'Andre $3,872,000$3,872,000 LD RFA - 2	Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 3	Quick, Jonathan $825,000$825,000 ($100,000$100K) G M-NTC UFA - 1
Gustafsson, Erik $825,000$825,000 LD UFA - 1	Schneider, Braden $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Jones, Zachary $812,500$812,500 LD RFA - 2		Chytil, Filip $4,437,500$4,437,500 C, LW UFA - 4
Leschyshyn, Jake $766,667$766,667 C RFA - 2

Feb. 7 at 12:09 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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"Drury hangs up the phone after punching your wife.
kakko is incredible despite producing nothing."

"Actually Byram would be a #1 defensemen on 31 other teams. Don't worry about his debilitating injuries or performance"

No need to read further comments

Feb. 7 at 12:13 p.m.

TJTwolf

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Doozy of a young top pairing for NYR but I don't see a piece on the Rangers that makes sense for the Avs. No young or long term signed 2C to trade, so unless the Avs had that lined up elsewhere it wouldn't have any logic to it. Trochek would be ideal but he basically signed with the Rangers because he wanted to stay east IIRC. Zib would be too expensive to acquire (and too big a cap hit), and Goodrow isn't good enough. There also aren't any prospect C's in the Rangers organisation that I can think of that are ready to make the jump.

Lindgren makes zero sense as that's arguably a downgrade and costs the Avs more as they have to re-sign him. Kakko (aside from friendship) is a bad fit as the Avs don't need wingers.

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Feb. 7 at 12:14 p.m.

UpsideDownQue

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Neither of those guys make much sense for the Avs imo. RW is full with Rantanen, one of Nichushkin/Lehkonen, O'Connor, and Kovalenko once his KHL season is over, and LD is stacked with Toews Girard and Byram. I dont see the point in moving Byram out just to replace him with another LD

Unless Chytil or Trocheck were available then I dont really see the fit, and I doubt NYR would trade Trocheck and Chytil is out for the year

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Feb. 7 at 12:15 p.m.

UpsideDownQue

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Chytil would be nice but hes out for the year

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Feb. 7 at 12:17 p.m.

TJTwolf

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Quoting: UpsideDownQue

Chytil would be nice but hes out for the year

Yeah, if he was still there then sure, but otherwise nothing that makes sense.

They would also have been scouting each other prior to playing each other.

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Feb. 7 at 12:21 p.m.

hero9154

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Rumor is something along the lines of Kakko/X for 2024 1st and Johansen.

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Feb. 7 at 12:27 p.m.

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: hero9154

Rumor is something along the lines of Kakko/X for 2024 1st and Johansen.

I could see some logic in that.

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Feb. 7 at 12:29 p.m.

M96N29

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Quoting: hero9154

Rumor is something along the lines of Kakko/X for 2024 1st and Johansen.

Just take Johansen if you want him. Could you see parting with a fifth? He's not quite a cap dump to the right team where he'd fit better, not sure if that's NYR. So it's not unreasonable in that situation to see a low pick coming back. The Avs should take that return from anywhere and figure out how else to get a center.

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Feb. 7 at 1:22 p.m.

Kravtsov_Stan

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Yeah, if he was still there then sure, but otherwise nothing that makes sense.

They would also have been scouting each other prior to playing each other.

The scouting seems a little more serious than regular season prep for teams that play each other 2 times a year. Especially with McFarland coming to a few NYR games

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Feb. 7 at 1:26 p.m.

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Quoting: TJTwolf

This is the only way it makes sense for me. Might be something where Colorado has a deal lined up for a guy like Henrique and the rangers take on a pick, Johansen and give up Kakko or some other piece. I also think it would make sense because Dolan wants the rangers to have a first for the draft in the sphere this year and if Drury wants to add another winger or any other piece he could flip Colorado's pick (whatever round its in).

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Feb. 7 at 1:35 p.m.

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Xqb15a

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That is imaginary. COL needs centers so they are going to trade the best player in the deal and trade a center? Get real. COL second biggest need is back up goalie. The last thing they need is another winger. This helps the Rangers a lot and doesn’t help COL at all.

Feb. 7 at 1:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Kravtsov_Stan

The scouting seems a little more serious than regular season prep for teams that play each other 2 times a year. Especially with McFarland coming to a few NYR games

COL front office and the NYR front office are friendly and they have traded change of scenery prospects in the past. But no matter how you try to spin it COL’s 2 biggest needs are center and back up goalie, the Rangers don’t have a center to spare.

Feb. 7 at 1:47 p.m.

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Kravtsov_Stan

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Quoting: Xqb15a

The point of the deal would not be a one and done. If this is a trade that happens it is almost definite the trade would be to get rid of some cap and go out and get a guy like Henrique and a back up

Colorado needs centers, but they also dont have any cap space to acquire a center or a backup. If they want space it makes sense to move out Johansen

Feb. 7 at 1:58 p.m.

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Xqb15a

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Quoting: Kravtsov_Stan

That’s like **** ding dong ditch, you’re going to trade a 22yr old top 4 dman who has been a stud in the playoffs for cap space for a bad fit pending UFA center. The Avs have Kovalenko coming in a month so why would they want Kakko at all? I’m not saying COL and NYR don’t make a trade I am saying there is zero chance COL trades a top 4 dman during the season and an even smaller chance they trade a top 4 dman and don’t get a 2c in return.

Feb. 7 at 2:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Xqb15a

Dude you didnt read my post, I said I thought it was very unlikely that Byram gets moved. I was just trying to think of any possible players these teams could be scouting. I think that if there is a trade its most likely something along the lines of Johansen and a pick (first or second) for Kakko/another asset that wont add to Colorados cap if they dont want a winger

Feb. 7 at 3:19 p.m.

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We're both looking for a decent C, not a match. We'd pass here also

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