Very likely to rich for the avs type of deadline but this team would be amazing and I think could rival that 2021-2022 avs team on paper

I think it takes more for Guentzel. The 1st will end up being really late and Johansen will be extra cap for us. I think add another 1st and we'd consider.

Take out Guentzel and it’s fair. To add Guentzel is another 1st and top prospect. To add 2 million in retention is another 2nd rd pick.

Agreed, I think with Johansen for Guentzel and retention it would take two 1sts and a decent prospect

That’s comical. Thanks for the laugh

What’s comical is this ACGM lol

You think a team is going to pay a 1st, a guy just drafted in the 1st and a 3rd rd pick to take RyJo. What are you smoking?

You just said you wanted 3 firsts a 2nd and a 3rd for a rental and a cap dump lol you don’t know what you’re talking about. Josh Bailey with a higher AAV that had a worse buyout cost just got dumped for a 2nd

If he wanted like a 2nd over the 3rd sure I wouldn’t necessarily agree but that’s at least reasonable that’s just insane levels of being a homer

RyJo is a 4 million cap hit for the next season and a half, the guy just drafted in the 1st rd was drafted 31st and has a lot less value than a player picked 15th, much less a top 10 pick. Also, the pens have MP, Graves, POJ, Smith, Pickering, Rathbone, Ludvig that are all either young and/or signed long term on the left side. A LD prospect is probably the LAST thing the pens need.
So to answer your question…not whatever it is you and the ACGM creator are smoking.

RyJo’s buyout in the 2nd year would be worse than Bailey’s buyout in the 2nd year. The pens are also not exactly in a position to be taking on contracts for the purpose of buying them out. Chicago is…that’s also the difference.

We are already over half way through the season and the deadline leaves about a quarter left and comparable cap dumps was a 2nd rounder for a more expensive AAV and buyout cost. The comparable mentioned on 32 thoughts today was the giroux deal and when it happened Tippet was entering bust territory it’s not like they traded him in the middle of a 60 point season. The Avs deal was a 1st and Justin Barron 27th OA which was also on the table but giroux picked the panthers. People thought the panthers fleeced in that deal

Anaheim passes

We get a 2024 1st for Rico

No your comparable buyout victim only had a worse buyout hit in the 1st year, not the 2nd. And again the pens aren’t in any position to take on buyout candidates for picks so it would cost more…much more for a team like the pens to take on a buyout candidate/cap dump.
Secondly Giroux got traded for a 1st, 3rd, and ok prospect. Giroux was older and had a full NMC which took a hit to his value. So naturally a younger Guentzel that has minimal trade protection has more value as it leads to more contenders and creates a bidding war. Guentzel is also currently MUCH better now than Giroux was at the time of his trade which adds even more value to Guentzel. Third, the pens aren’t exactly out of it and the flyers were starting their rebuild, so naturally it makes sense that adds value to pry Guentzel.
So the Giroux deal is where convos start, but it’s going to take a good bit more to win any possible Guentzel sweepstakes.

Why would it matter? 2024 draft is supposed to be pretty weak after pick 20 from everything I’ve seen

Because I have a few guys I’d want in the later end of the 1st round

Bailey overall costs 1.1 million more to buyout in total over RyJo 1.3 million more than RyJo the first year and 200k less the second year. To address your value of guentzel point just last year Horvat having a better year as a 2 way center went for a 1st a recent second rounder and a 3rd. That first was in the late teen range which is at least 10 spots higher but centers are more valuable than wings always. I could be sold to change that 3rd to a 2nd but adding another first and prospect is ridiculous for 20 games and a playoff run. Retention for 20 games also doesn’t cost very much. Leafs paid the Wild a 4th rounder to retain close to 2 million on ROR last season.

Who cares what teams paid for players last year? If you want a real basis then let’s look at this year, because it’s the market for this year, not last year or the 21-22 season. Elias Lindholm got a 1st, 2 3rd round pick prospects, a conditional 4th that can become a 3rd, and a middle 6 winger. Sean Monahan got a 1st and conditional 3rd. Jake Guentzel is far better than Monahan and is better than Lindholm this year. So yes it’s already gonna be more than Lindholm and the fact that you’re adding retention on Guentzel, adding a cap dump coming back, and subtracting a solid middle 6 player…my assessment is absolutely very fair.

Avs decline all around. Poor asset management.

Lindholm value was based off reputation 3 firsts for just about any rental especially a winger is ridiculous and if that’s what you expect you’ll be disappointed. Even 2 actual frps isn’t gonna happen. The deal I put up is more than what Lindholm and Monahan got by a large margin as well. 2 firsts and a 3rd is a lot more than they got

I don’t think they do these trades specifically but giving up these types of assets shouldn’t be out of the question I think. Only guy I wouldn’t trade is Ritchie. I’m still holding out hope we can pry Frost out of Philly

No it isn’t more because you added a cap dump coming back and added the other team retaining on the player. Not to mention the “1st round prospect” plays a position the pens don’t need a prospect for. So that prospect may be higher value to other teams than the pens.

It's the usual faux pas that GMs make at the TDL to my mind but each to their own. I do agree somewhat on Frost but would prefer Novak. Question on Novak would be what it would cost to re-sign him.

Bro do you know how the cap works? He doesn’t have a $4M cap hit now because salaries are pro-rated, his cap hit the remaining year is like $1.4M. At worst asking some to take $5.4M is a single first.

His cap hit is 4 million and the pens currently only have 175k cap space with a 21 man roster . You can try to mental gymnastics your way around it but in real life here on planet earth his cap hit is 4 million next season. He is still a cap dump whether he is traded today, tomorrow, the trade deadline, the offseason, the 13th day of next season…he’s still a cap dump. A cap dump that teams aren’t going to want unless you pay a pretty penny or retain a decent bit on. If the Avs can find another team to take him on for just a 1st or just a 2nd. Great…go for it and do it then y’all can trade for Guentzel and not have to pay the pens a cap dump premium on top of the Guentzel asking price. See how that works…it’s magically solved.
Then it’s just the original asking price of a 1st, a 3rd, and a top prospect.