Problem is with the lists:

Available at the right price, value has dropped or will continue to drop (Norris and Chabot at 8mil = you're probably not getting equal value back, (Look at provorov example) Chychrun's value is probably not his ARZ value, close though
And the available list is a bunch of guys who have little value (for example, Kubalik at 2.5mil for a non-producing guy, JBD was on waivers and went unclaimed)

We dont need major changes. Just move out chychrun for a good defensive RD , sign a bottom pair Dman, a checkign 3rd liner and a good 4th liner

What kind of value do you think Giroux has at 50% retention?

What is the approximate "right price" for Batherson? strong 1st + B+/A prospect in position of need? Or not futures?

A lot but he’s not being moved .

Easily a 1st and a team’s 3rd or 4th best prospect

Only a RD with term

Batherson is 100% not available, OTT cannot replace that and he is OTT ONLY RW under 30 that is top 6

If we get a similar value similar contract RD for him, you can’t say no

yes you can, making a hole in the top 6 to plug a hole in the top 4 makes as much sense as making a boat of of mosquito screen...

You’d have a lot of assets and still Chychrun who could be traded

you wont find a top 6 RW making less than 5M, again you dont make a hole to plug one....

What about the lines as:

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Jarventie/Crookshank - Grieg - Norris
Joseph - Pinto - ????
Kelly - Kastelic (if he rebounds to 2022-23 form) - ???

Chabot/Chychrun - Defensive D
Sanderson - Zub
Brannstrom - ???

Move Norris off the middle in the hopes he can be a bit more creative offensively and generate something? Or, honestly, trade him with retention for that Defensive D rather than Batherson.

norris shoots left, Bath shoots right

Ah, the elusive right shot! Instantly doubles his value . (Not sarcasm)

I'd still consider a Batherson for Defensive RD swap, but with a tad bit more reservation that I initially would have. Hadn't considered that.

i seriously think Norris may be the one traded if a shake up is done, with Pinto and Greig playing so well and norris being flat, Stu is OTT #1.

Agreed with pretty much everything with a few exceptions :

- Batherson is in between "not available" and "only at the right price" for me. You only trade him if a team overpays and it ends up making your team better, but with his low AAV, this isn't likely to happen

- Kastelic is not untouchable or anything but I don't see the point in trading him. He's young, cheap, versatile, big, physical, elite on faceoffs and has a bit of a scoring touch even if his offense is not really there this season. Wouldn't return more than a 5th-7th pick, I'd just keep him

- a bit the same story for JBD, young cheap and can still improve, he has shown some good things this season

- Jarventie should be kept unless he can be used to do something important

- Kelly has been great since the coaching change, another guy I'd look to keep if he can be signed under 1.0

- Brannstrom "only at the right price" for me, leads the Sens at ES in CF%, SF% and xGF%, CA/60, GA/60 the last 2 seasons combined. Second to Zub in SA/60 and xGA/60. That guy is still underrated because he is a bit buried in Ottawa (and well all kind of bias reasons too)



That's why it makes more sense to trade Chychrun. Chabot is the better player but Chychrun is more attractive due to age and contract. Some team could possibly sign him around 7.0 AAV long term.

Agreed on Kubalik, the guy killed his value this season. JBD built a bit of value this season though, probably around 3rd round pick but don't see the point to not keep him


Hamonic and Kubalik are the 2 obvious guys who need to go first.


Not available at all and himself probably won't want to move from home.

Sens are finally in a position to get out of their rebuild (something I have said wouldn't happen sine 2020-21, with Dorion and DJ Smith)

They absolutely need Giroux, and would need more vets like this actually. Another forward and a D-man

That comment about JBD for a 3rd gave me DeMelo PTSD flashbacks. I hope they keep him; no point not letting these young guys develop if the only return is another random swing that they won't let develop.

Exactly, as long as they are cheap and cost controlled no point in giving them away... like Dorion almost did with Sokolov, Thomson and JBD at the beginning of the season or like he did back then with Balcers

Keep them unless there's a reason to move them, like for another prospect or in a package for a roster upgrade

I’d keep JBD as a 7th D and trade/buyout Hamonic