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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)

Mar. 1 at 6:31 p.m.
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I mean they tried to do a blockbuster back in NOV but Controy be stupid lul

He took MARKET VALUE for Tanev + Zadorov over blockbuster like return

Thats how u got blown away actual value vs. swindling jesus

Rielly-Liligren
McCabe-Tanev
Zadorov-Brodie


How could the Leafs possibly have afforded that without losing Nylander
Mar. 1 at 6:35 p.m.
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To add to this, Roy + Kaliyev and then a Duclair trade would set this roster up very nicely. Roy would be 50% retained by a third team to make the cap work, and the trade packages would largely consist of picks + non-roster players (like Abruzzese, Timmins, maybe but hopefully not Steeves, etc.) with the exception of Robertson

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Nylander
Duclair - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Domi - Kaliyev
Holmberg - Kampf - Jarnkrok

Rielly - Roy
McCabe - Liljegren
Benoit - Brodie

Woll
Samsonov

That is a roster with ample secondary scoring and a pretty stout defensive group. Duclair and Marner would be a dangerous duo


I really like this idea, just don't know how realistic it is. It's actually a very well thought out idea.
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Mar. 1 at 6:47 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 1 at 6:56 p.m.
Quoting: RipNasty
How could the Leafs possibly have afforded that without losing Nylander


Why would Nylander need to be part of the trade that would be an overpay by us lul

With LTIR and retention both guys would have costed 4.125m

1st + 2 3rds + Niemela and Timmins should have got it done. Brad would have then extended both

But nah Conroy and CGY ownership be salty and rather lose trades
Mar. 1 at 7:16 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
To add to this, Roy + Kaliyev and then a Duclair trade would set this roster up very nicely. Roy would be 50% retained by a third team to make the cap work, and the trade packages would largely consist of picks + non-roster players (like Abruzzese, Timmins, maybe but hopefully not Steeves, etc.) with the exception of Robertson

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Nylander
Duclair - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Domi - Kaliyev
Holmberg - Kampf - Jarnkrok

Rielly - Roy
McCabe - Liljegren
Benoit - Brodie

Woll
Samsonov

That is a roster with ample secondary scoring and a pretty stout defensive group. Duclair and Marner would be a dangerous duo


I could 100% get in board with Roy and Kaliyev, Duclair I don't see the need.

I made an acgm just for me amd it works.
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Mar. 1 at 7:23 p.m.
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I could 100% get in board with Roy and Kaliyev, Duclair I don't see the need.

I made an acgm just for me amd it works.


Yeah what are we thinking cost wise? 1st and Robbie?
Mar. 1 at 7:37 p.m.
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Yeah what are we thinking cost wise? 1st and Robbie?


LA gonna want more for Roy

If hes available hes the best RD of the TDL

As basically your gonna have to convince them to move him as rn they in a playoff spot
Mar. 1 at 7:39 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
LA gonna want more for Roy

If hes available hes the best RD of the TDL


He's a rental. Can't see the cost going up much from there. Maybe throw in topi
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Mar. 1 at 7:45 p.m.
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He's a rental. Can't see the cost going up much from there. Maybe throw in topi


Even so rental's can get good returns as there would be a big bidding war considering what I mentioned earlier

Now if it was 1st + Robertson + Niemela I could potentially see it but someone may also outbid it.

Its a wait and see but bidding wars can get scary lul

In the end I just dont think hes gonna be available besides in FA in which we can go get him then
Mar. 1 at 7:47 p.m.
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Funniest thing I have seen is whenever I talk about the NOV blockbuster that failed due to CGY being silly people going oh Leafs would not have beat the return CGY got for Tanev + Zadorov....


They do know a 1st at min would have went back right which beats out a 2nd + 3rd + 5th (yes CGY has another conditional 3rd but its chances be low due to all the other good teams)
Mar. 1 at 8:54 p.m.
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Honestly if we still shopping PIT or WSH just make a tonne of sense lul

Both got nice Dman and forwards

Examples

WSH: Mantha, Dowd, Jensen, TVR

PIT: Smith, Acciari, Petterson, Hellburg (Has passed through waivers so can trade Jones and add him to be with Marlies)
Mar. 1 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Honestly if we still shopping PIT or WSH just make a tonne of sense lul

Both got nice Dman and forwards

Examples

WSH: Mantha, Dowd, Jensen, TVR

PIT: Smith, Acciari, Petterson, Hellburg (Has passed through waivers so can trade Jones and add him to be with Marlies)


Marcus Pettersson would improve this team so much its not even funny
Mar. 1 at 10:37 p.m.
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Under the radar guy I'd grab for a depth forward
Mar. 1 at 10:44 p.m.
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Under the radar guy I'd grab for a depth forward


Really wanted Bjustad in the offseason, really liked him with the Oilers last season
Mar. 1 at 10:47 p.m.
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Really wanted Bjustad in the offseason, really liked him with the Oilers last season


Surprised he has done this well. Would have preferred to send a 3rd for him instead of boosh but we can't change that now
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Mar. 1 at 10:48 p.m.
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Under the radar guy I'd grab for a depth forward


Any time you see a center available just think NYR and seeing the icon NYR fan posted it

Considering the injury every C is probs being called on whose a pending UFA


As for Stetcher good analytics but undersized. Its basically the Carrier problem

Better to go find Rielly the type of guy he likes to play with then experiment. Analytics people hate Boosh but we saw him and Rielly together and it was fine. Its basically the Benoit thing all over again
Mar. 1 at 10:55 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1763742157909729351

I actually forgot about that

Now this was under Dubas so I think the tradition ends

Unless....they go get Jenner who I wouldnt be opposed to
Mar. 1 at 10:56 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Any time you see a center available just think NYR and seeing the icon NYR fan posted it

Considering the injury every C is probs being called on whose a pending UFA


As for Stetcher good analytics but undersized. Its basically the Carrier problem

Better to go find Rielly the type of guy he likes to play with then experiment. Analytics people hate Boosh but we saw him and Rielly together and it was fine. Its basically the Benoit thing all over again


I think our partner for Rielly should 100% be Liljegren. Get Roy if he's available, get Hanifin if he's not.

Rielly - Liljegren
Hanifin - McCabe
Benoit - Lyubushkin

That is a good defense group, Brodie can rotate in occasionally
Mar. 1 at 10:59 p.m.
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I think our partner for Rielly should 100% be Liljegren. Get Roy if he's available, get Hanifin if he's not.

Rielly - Liljegren
Hanifin - McCabe
Benoit - Lyubushkin

That is a good defense group, Brodie can rotate in occasionally


Nah go with what works and we saw Rielly-Boosh work and it seems the plan is reunion which is fine as Rielly works with these kinds of Dman. We saw it with Hainsey where he scored 20 goals, Schenn where in the playoffs those two had fun, and he and lybushkin just made a nice pairings. Nothing over the top but it worked

If they do add Hanifin (I really dont see it) lines would probs be

Rielly-Lybushkin
Hanifin-Liligren
Benoit-McCabe

But with all the reports Hanifin prefers going to TBL I just cant see it unless its a sign and trade.

Got a feeling its

Rielly-Lybushkin
Brodie-Liligren
Benoit-McCabe

Unless they can get Hanifin to commit to a sign and trade, get Roy, or something else comes up
Mar. 1 at 11:04 p.m.
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Nah go with what works and we saw Rielly-Boosh work and it seems the plan is reunion

If they do add Hanifin (I really dont see it) lines would probs be

Rielly-Lybushkin
Hanifin-Liligren
Benoit-McCabe

But with all the reports Hanifin prefers going to TBL I just cant see it unless its a sign and trade.

Got a feeling its

Rielly-Lybushkin
Brodie-Liligren
Benoit-McCabe

Unless they can get Hanifin to commit to a sign and trade, get Roy, or something else comes up


Yeah thats the one thing about Hanifin that I'm not sold on. There seems to be a lack of willingness to re-sign with a team that isn't Tampa or Boston based on reports from guys like Seravalli.

Roy is the perfect partner for Mo, but it all depends on what LA is doing. Marcus Pettersson would be a fantastic add, but I'm not convinced he's a trade candidate for Pittsburgh. Maybe there will be a defenseman like Hronek who comes out of no where, but it's looking like it's going to be very difficult to address the blue line. Really hoping LA sells on Roy 🤞
Mar. 1 at 11:07 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Yeah thats the one thing about Hanifin that I'm not sold on. There seems to be a lack of willingness to re-sign with a team that isn't Tampa or Boston based on reports from guys like Seravalli.

Roy is the perfect partner for Mo, but it all depends on what LA is doing. Marcus Pettersson would be a fantastic add, but I'm not convinced he's a trade candidate for Pittsburgh. Maybe there will be a defenseman like Hronek who comes out of no where, but it's looking like it's going to be very difficult to address the blue line. Really hoping LA sells on Roy 🤞


I cant see LA selling on Roy but can see a summer move on if he asks for to much then we can give him 6.5m x 6 years or something


Now I think there are Hronek like RFA candidates or close

Chycrun has 1.5 years left at 4.6m

In terms of being an RFA there's Fabbro

But yea there are outside the box options to its just a gamble in terms of okay will said team ret and do you want to risk it (i.e. Parayko)

Its a wait and see rn thats all I can say.

To me if u can get a PKG for a forward and Dman go for it

PIT, WSH, and SEA all give that opportunity rn
Mar. 2 at 1:14 a.m.
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Wanna know whats funny is we faced the Avs last week and I didnt realize Byram is playing his offside and third pairing

The **** happened to him and is this a potential opportunity
Mar. 2 at 1:43 a.m.
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Wanna know whats funny is we faced the Avs last week and I didnt realize Byram is playing his offside and third pairing

The **** happened to him and is this a potential opportunity


Concussions completely derailed his development
Mar. 2 at 9:33 a.m.
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McCabe does do that. Literally every scouting report on him says so and it often hurts him. Was painfully obvious in the playoffs last year and while he has been playing better, he still gets caught way too often to be a legitimate shutdown guy. Benoit has been a nice surprise but he is in not way anything more than a 3rd pair stay at home guy. Lybushkin is worse than both.


The CapFriendly scouting report, you mean?

BC most scouts like what they see with McCabe and Benoit... The stats do as well
Mar. 2 at 9:43 a.m.
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The CapFriendly scouting report, you mean?

BC most scouts like what they see with McCabe and Benoit... The stats do as well


Bukula on Sportsnet has said this several times. Same with Bourne. McCabe is know for chasing for big hits. Every time we have played Colorado, McCabe gets exposed vs their top players.
Mar. 2 at 9:45 a.m.
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Bukula on Sportsnet has said this several times. Same with Bourne. McCabe is know for chasing for big hits. Every time we have played Colorado, McCabe gets exposed vs their top players.


Bukula and Bourne are as creditable as Kyper

And that's simply not true... McCabe usually forces Colorado to play high in the zone
 
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