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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)

Mar. 9 at 11:22 a.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
I call it middle of the ground

Not all in and not do nothing stand pat

This was not the TDL to go crazy as nobody with term was available


Like I would rather wait till FA for a RD rn as look at the options

Demelo, Roy, Pesce, etc.

And then Dewar has 10 goals and only got 11mins of ice with MIN


Dewar has a 17% shooting percentage. His goal scoring is luck more than anything else. He's just another 4th liner.

The Leafs have sizable holes and we sent a bunch of minor assets to get a 4th liner and 2 6/7 defenceman who actually aren't at all good. Let's put them in the top 4 and expect a better result. Our defence has 2 top 4 defenceman. And a bunch of bottom pair guys. Our forward core isn't great beyond the big 3 and our coach is bad. Just a wasted year.

If they get past the 1st round, and that's a huge if this season. It'll be purely luck. Nothing Treliving has done will have any impact on the results. The Leafs will win if the refs favor them, or they get the lucky bounces or one of Woll or Samsonov get hot for a stretch. They will undoubtedly get hemmed in for long stretches, they will likely take a lot of bad penalties because that's what "tough guys" do. And they will absolutely be out coached as usual.

Terrific plan Shanahan.
Mar. 9 at 11:24 a.m.
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Quoting: CameronSquires
This TDL pros and cons

Pros: got harder to play against
filled some holes that needed filling
better depth
never had to spend a 1st
never had to trade Liljegren, Robertson, Knies, Cowan, Minten or any other significant pieces/prospects
got a nice looking prospect

Cons:
lost a nice few late picks,
no game changers,
lost lagesson


Edmundson and Lybushkin get scored on a lot. How is adding them making it harder to play against us? Because now playoff hardened teams we will face in round one will have to take a few more cross checks but score more? I imagine they will welcome these "additions".
Mar. 9 at 12:35 p.m.
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"Quite frankly, it kills me having to sit Benoit tonight"

Says keeping Lily's right handedness in the lineup is part of the decision...

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Mar. 9 at 1:10 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 9 at 1:20 p.m.
Quoting: RipNasty
Dewar has a 17% shooting percentage. His goal scoring is luck more than anything else. He's just another 4th liner.

The Leafs have sizable holes and we sent a bunch of minor assets to get a 4th liner and 2 6/7 defenceman who actually aren't at all good. Let's put them in the top 4 and expect a better result. Our defence has 2 top 4 defenceman. And a bunch of bottom pair guys. Our forward core isn't great beyond the big 3 and our coach is bad. Just a wasted year.

If they get past the 1st round, and that's a huge if this season. It'll be purely luck. Nothing Treliving has done will have any impact on the results. The Leafs will win if the refs favor them, or they get the lucky bounces or one of Woll or Samsonov get hot for a stretch. They will undoubtedly get hemmed in for long stretches, they will likely take a lot of bad penalties because that's what "tough guys" do. And they will absolutely be out coached as usual.

Terrific plan Shanahan.


With a 6.9% shooting percentage had 4 less goals. Im not overly concerned with a differential of 4 goals. He's someone who was brought in for the 4th line and PK and if he can give us some extra offense added bonus

If he can be a 20 point guy for the 4th line im good. He's 24 and still has potential.

And no they dont have sizable holes as the thing is many of the holes we keep saying have filled themselves in then sprung up again. We need a goalie hello Sammy rebound, We need depth scoring hello Bertuzzi, McMann, etc, we need a Dman to step up hello Benoit, Brodie problem = shift to left, net front defender hello Edmundson, a partner for Rielly = Lybushkin. Sure they couldnt get another top 4 RD but did yah want to pay a 1st for David Savard no

This team when Rielly was out won all 5 games and not against bottom feeders either well besides ARI but we struggle against them yearly. Brad went out and got playoff type defenders and a 4th liner who is specialized in what we need rn which is PK help
Mar. 9 at 1:12 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 9 at 1:20 p.m.
Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
"Quite frankly, it kills me having to sit Benoit tonight"

Says keeping Lily's right handedness in the lineup is part of the decision...

Cool


In general if u take Liligren out then who is gonna be the PP2 QB

Nobody can but him. Timmins is the only other guy but hes still not well and unless they desperate will get games. Benoit has looked good but when looking at all the combo's it makes sense for him to sit rn
Mar. 9 at 1:19 p.m.
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In general if u take Liligren out then who is gonna be the PP2 QB

Nobody can but him. Timmins is the only other guy but hes still not well and unless they desperate will get games.


Exactly...
Mar. 9 at 1:27 p.m.
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Exactly...


Its tough but when I look at the pairings Benoit being in the top 4 even with him and McCabe in the top 4 gives me pause

But who knows things can change on the fly as injuries do happen.

I think for this year Benoit watching from press for playoffs will be good and then next year he gets to be our third pair LD
Mar. 9 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
With a 6.9% shooting percentage had 4 less goals. Im not overly concerned with a differential of 4 goals. He's someone who was brought in for the 4th line and PK and if he can give us some extra offense added bonus

If he can be a 20 point guy for the 4th line im good. He's 24 and still has potential.

And no they dont have sizable holes as the thing is many of the holes we keep saying have filled themselves in then sprung up again. We need a goalie hello Sammy rebound, We need depth scoring hello Bertuzzi, McMann, etc, we need a Dman to step up hello Benoit, Brodie problem = shift to left, net front defender hello Edmundson, a partner for Rielly = Lybushkin. Sure they couldnt get another top 4 RD but did yah want to pay a 1st for David Savard no

This team when Rielly was out won all 5 games and not against bottom feeders either well besides ARI but we struggle against them yearly. Brad went out and got playoff type defenders and a 4th liner who is specialized in what we need rn which is PK help


This Leafs team beats bad teams and loses to good teams. You are confident with them vs Boston or Florida because they beat up Arizona, Anaheim, St Louis and San Jose? This team is not good enough
Mar. 9 at 2:57 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Figuring out the Dpairings is gonna break the brain lul

As sure people can go take Liligren out. K but then who QB PP unit 2?

Like rn I'm kind of leaning to

Rielly-Boosh
Brodie-McCabe
Edmunson-Liligren


You absolutely can't take Liljegren out. He's one of 2 defenceman on the team who can get the puck out of his own zone consistently. Take him out and we'll never have the puck and lose 4-1 every game.
Mar. 9 at 2:59 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 9 at 3:05 p.m.
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This Leafs team beats bad teams and loses to good teams. You are confident with them vs Boston or Florida because they beat up Arizona, Anaheim, St Louis and San Jose? This team is not good enough


You got it pretty backwards but K

Leafs have beat out good teams and have lost to bad teams

Leafs have lost to CBJ, OTT, CHI but beat VGK, DAL and AVS

Every team goes through this.


Leafs only lost to FLA last year due to Bob getting hot and FLA bullying/injuring some guys with Sammy getting hurt. When Leafs faced BOS in playoffs it was under Babcock who barely played Matthews and had 0 adjustment but even then they took them to 7 games twice. As the saying goes playoffs be a different game. Using regular season matchups mean nothing these days
Mar. 9 at 4:31 p.m.
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Didnt know Dewar was in leafs development camp with Liligren and Woll interesting
Mar. 9 at 7:31 p.m.
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What the actual f*ck was Bertuzzi doing on that goal??
Mar. 9 at 7:57 p.m.
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Just a terrible first period for Bertuzzi
Mar. 9 at 8:25 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 9 at 8:41 p.m.
McMann has been a nice surprise this year

Now besides the big 4 Leafs have 4 guys in double digit goals now

Jarnkrok
McMann
Knies
Bertuzzi
Mar. 9 at 9:40 p.m.
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Not been a fan of this Matthews line tonight

I get why they had to do it with Marner out but its not worked so far
Mar. 9 at 9:56 p.m.
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Close game, but we did it. Dewar came up defensively in those final minutes which was great to see.
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Mar. 9 at 9:56 p.m.
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Brodie was very lucky he wasnt called for what he did to Armia's stick but hey the JT and Kampf lines were good tonight

To many simple little mistakes this game that bit us twice but they fought back and came out with the W
Mar. 9 at 9:58 p.m.
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Brodie was very lucky he wasnt called for what he did to Armia's stick but hey the JT and Kampf lines were good tonight

To many simple little mistakes this game that bit us twice but they fought back and came out with the W


Lots of physicality I noticed, especially late in the game. I like that they weren't getting pushed around
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Mar. 9 at 10:05 p.m.
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Lots of physicality I noticed, especially late in the game. I like that they weren't getting pushed around


In general this team is playing different

Say what you want about Domi, Bertuzzi, Reaves, etc but they have changed the dynamic of this team to where they aint afraid of scrums and wont go away quietly anymore
Mar. 9 at 10:06 p.m.
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So far besides the one PK slipup by Dewar and almost accidental tip in by Edmundson I liked the new guys

Once Marner comes back Keefe has some nice options to try
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Mar. 9 at 10:09 p.m.
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All the new guys with negative impacts tonight. Great deadline.

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Mar. 9 at 10:12 p.m.
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This deadline actively made the team worse and it's hard to understand why the moves were made.

Benoit > EDM
Boosh is a 6/7 playing as a #2.

All those assets could have at least got us a #4 RHD as a stop gap. Like take a risk on Peeke or Dumba who've got some upside.

Really hating on Tre.
Mar. 9 at 10:23 p.m.
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Tre paid to go from:

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To

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Mar. 9 at 10:25 p.m.
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So far besides the one PK slipup by Dewar and almost accidental tip in by Edmundson I liked the new guys

Once Marner comes back Keefe has some nice options to try


Not Dewar's fault the Leafs PK system 2-1-1 is absurd and Dewar rightly assumed be play a diamond like every other competent team.
Mar. 9 at 11:08 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 9 at 11:26 p.m.
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All the new guys with negative impacts tonight. Great deadline.

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Um Edmundson and Dewar is positive the negative is for offense but thats not what they was brought for

If we look the actual negatives were Matthews, Bertuzzi, Nylander
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