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Ok last one before the deadline

Created by: mcgruff16
Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 6, 2024
Published: Mar. 6, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
One massive trade and a couple little ones. Hard not to like that second D pair...
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel
  2. Parayko, Colton
Additional Details:
StL gets 2 years of bad contract, wings get 6 (!) for a better, bigger player that will definitely suck in the back end of the contract. I call Holl+6th=Paryko. Buch gets burgers, good D prospect, 1st and 2nd and that's enough damn it.
STL
  1. Berggren, Jonatan
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. Johansson, Albert
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
  5. 2024 6th round pick (DET)
  6. 2025 1st round pick (DET)
2.
DET
  1. Kähkönen, Kaapo
Additional Details:
I've done this trade a couple of times and I like it.
SJS
  1. Reimer, James
  2. 2025 7th round pick (DET)
3.
DET
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Conditional 4th to 3rd if he plays x number of games. Any contender needing depth scoring/PP2 help.
CAR
  1. Fabbri, Robby ($2,000,000 retained)
4.
DET
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (TBL)
Additional Details:
Or 4th? Really to anyone that needs a veteran LD.
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$81,575,140$0$4,200,000$1,924,860
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
LW, RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,100,000$5,100,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
C
RFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2

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Mar. 6 at 12:49 p.m.
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I wouldn't do this as the Blues. It treats Parayko like a cap dump which he isnt...
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Mar. 6 at 12:51 p.m.
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This "offer" does not get you Buch by himself. "Holl + 6th for Parayko" is astonishingly deluded. The Blues would not take Holl for a 6th, so you somehow imagine you can get paid handsomely to take Parayko. Why do people trade for players they never watch?
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Mar. 6 at 12:52 p.m.
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Quoting: BDHockey
I wouldn't do this as the Blues. It treats Parayko like a cap dump which he isnt...


I think he's a good player, but that's a really long contract for a big guy at $6.5M per. I sort of look at Holl as a not as good replacement for $3M LESS per season for 4 years less, or they retain and flip him. Plus they got the 6th. What do you think makes it more fair? Make the 6th a 4th or 5th?
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Mar. 6 at 12:53 p.m.
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That gets you one of those players
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Mar. 6 at 12:55 p.m.
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We can't afford Buchnevich and Parayko next season. Also that contract probably doesn't age well for us, I would say he is already less effective than when he signed it. I also don't see the Blues being interested in that return much.
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Mar. 6 at 12:56 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
This "offer" does not get you Buch by himself. "Holl + 6th for Parayko" is astonishingly deluded. The Blues would not take Holl for a 6th, so you somehow imagine you can get paid to take Parayko. Why do people trade for players they never watch?


See my reply to BD Hockey. If you think paying a 35/36 year old big dude $6.5M is good value/cap management then I'm afraid you're deluded. (see the ghost of Jeff Petry) That said, I'm trying make a win/win for the best bud GMs. And the Buch carve-out is more than fair, he's really good but sheesh.
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Mar. 6 at 1:01 p.m.
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No from the Sharks.
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Mar. 6 at 1:04 p.m.
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Quoting: mcgruff16
I think he's a good player, but that's a really long contract for a big guy at $6.5M per. I sort of look at Holl as a not as good replacement for $3M LESS per season for 4 years less, or they retain and flip him. Plus they got the 6th. What do you think makes it more fair? Make the 6th a 4th or 5th?


Yeah I understand the concern. I think his playstyle will last fine throughout his contract and the total cap hit % won't be that bad on the back half of the contract. The biggest concern with having veterans signed long term is the risk of injury, which is what it is.

I don't really share the same concern about Parayko, but I am glad that so many other teams are looking out for us and taking the contract off our hands. tears of joy
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Mar. 6 at 1:09 p.m.
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Quoting: mcgruff16
I sort of look at Holl as a not as good replacement for $3M LESS per season for 4 years less, or they retain and flip him. Plus they got the 6th. What do you think makes it more fair? Make the 6th a 4th or 5th?


What on Earth are you on about? Holl is nothing even slightly resembling a replacement. And he gets paid about 3M more than he is worth. "Plus they got the 6th"... do you even hear yourself? Parayko is worth PURE cap dump Holl and a 6th... how is it even possible to be this divorced from reality? I'm genuinely fascinated.


Quoting: xercuses
That gets you one of those players


No, it does not. Why say that?
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Mar. 6 at 1:11 p.m.
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To many moving parts, not what Steve's gonna do
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Mar. 6 at 1:19 p.m.
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What on Earth are you on about? Holl is nothing even slightly resembling a replacement. And he gets paid about 3M more than he is worth. "Plus they got the 6th"... do you even hear yourself? Parayko is worth PURE cap dump Holl and a 6th... how is it even possible to be this divorced from reality? I'm genuinely fascinated.




No, it does not. Why say that?


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Mar. 6 at 1:20 p.m.
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Tampa Bay won't want that extra year of Maata. They pass.
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Mar. 6 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: BDHockey
Yeah I understand the concern. I think his playstyle will last fine throughout his contract and the total cap hit % won't be that bad on the back half of the contract. The biggest concern with having veterans signed long term is the risk of injury, which is what it is.

I don't really share the same concern about Parayko, but I am glad that so many other teams are looking out for us and taking the contract off our hands. tears of joy


Hey just trying to help, lol.
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Mar. 6 at 1:36 p.m.
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Tampa Bay won't want that extra year of Maata. They pass.


But someone might, read the description please.
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Mar. 6 at 1:39 p.m.
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What on Earth are you on about? Holl is nothing even slightly resembling a replacement. And he gets paid about 3M more than he is worth. "Plus they got the 6th"... do you even hear yourself? Parayko is worth PURE cap dump Holl and a 6th... how is it even possible to be this divorced from reality? I'm genuinely fascinated.




No, it does not. Why say that?


I guess we can't all possess your sage wisdom. You seriously need to chill tf out, you do understand this is an internet forum, not an actual trade? People like you suck the fun out of this whole thing.
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Mar. 6 at 11:45 p.m.
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Quoting: mcgruff16
I guess we can't all possess your sage wisdom. You seriously need to chill tf out, you do understand this is an internet forum, not an actual trade? People like you suck the fun out of this whole thing.


Oh stop it. I'm chill as can be. You guys say weird stuff and any time anyone dryly criticizes the specific things you said about the hockey players (not you), it automatically goes to "Bro chill tf out... you're baaaaad, you ruin everything in my fantasy world".

Sorry, you guys can't just leap to pretending everyone who criticizes the overtly bizarre thing you said is a maniac foaming at the mouth as a shield from said criticism. Do you have anything to rebut regarding all the relevant hockey player stuff I said? Anything at all?
Mar. 6 at 11:47 p.m.
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Quoting: xercuses
🙄


(sigh)

Dude. You and I both know the difference between value and the right value. This is all second hand stuff (or far worse) relative to what they have to offer.

Deferred 1st. Their 5th best D prospect. Small winger they have been apparently taking bids on. Awful cap dump. Uhh sorry. NO. They can do a helluva lot better.
 
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