I agree.

The struggles from this year are the only reason Marino and Mercer are even available.

In terms of my valuation of assets.

Jack>>>Nemec>Nico>Luke=Bratt=Tkachuk>>Mercer>Meier>Hamilton=2024 1st>Marino>Holtz>Casey>Siegenthaler>2025 1st>2026 1st.

I'm sure you value them very differently.

I would give up NJDs next 3 1sts for Tkachuk happily. You can use them to buy whatever assets you like, they are simply a show of value. It could even be done in a 3 team trade if you want.

You don't want picks, but also seem to undervalue every NJD asset.

In your eyes Marino, Casey, Mercer, Holtz are secondary pieces. In reality they are pieces NJD would hate to let go.

I believe Brady Tkachuk is worth a high 1st+2 other 1sts of value. (or about 4 later 1sts of value). That is a massive valuation.

I also don't particularly believe Tkachuk should be a target in NJD unless Meier heads the other way as the centerpiece, the same way I don't believe a Quinn Hughes trade makes sense without Hamilton involved.

I apologize for any rudeness on my part at all.

This is generally why I prefer to operate using picks as proxies for value. There is no bias on either side when it comes to picks.

Nico’s defence fell of this year .

All the players you wanna get rid off are risky and none of them have a strong chance of being top pair or top pair. Mercer is way more likely a 2nd liner

Which is why I think a centerpiece of a 5th overall pick this year + other assets makes way more sense .

Sens can draft Parekh, Iginla, Lindstrom or Catton as well as another great player with their pick

I'd certainly agree with that. If NJD for example traded up to 1st overall and offered 5th overall + one of Casey/Holtz/Marino/Siegs/Gritysuk/Future 1st, I assume that would be more appealing?

100% more appealing for sure.

Anything that gets us a top pair Rd and top liner with our first 2 picks works

Glad to hear we could come to an understanding.

Basically you wanted a centerpiece of a certain quality/type

NJDs assets as it stands just didn't make it fit well.

The high tier assets NJD has are imo too valuable to be a part of a package. Jack, Nemec, Bratt, Nico,Luke.

But the 2nd tier of assets is a level below.

Mercer, our 1st, Hamilton, Meier, fall below the quality/fit to be a centerpiece for you of a value of around 5th overall.


The most ridiculous one I'd offer is Timo Meier (1 mill retained) for Tkachuk.

7 years of Meier at 7.8 vs 4 years of Tkachuk at 8.2.

I just think if the Sens move Brady they’re gonna want to delay the window by another 2-3 years . So Meier from ages 30 and on is not that appealing .

I’d be looking for pieces aged 17-22

Which analytics?
Holtz was a lot better than Wahlstrom this year.
Production numbers are probably more similar to Mathieu Joseph statistically.


G/60
Holtz 1.11
Wally 0.19
Joseph 0.51

Pts/60
Holtz 1.93
Wally 0.77
Joseph 1.98

CF%
Holtz 47.8
Wally 40.7
Joseph 48.5

GF%
Holtz 48.5
Wally 38.5
Joseph 45.7

xGF%
Holtz 47.5
Wally 41.7
Joseph 46.8

GF/60
Holtz 2.37
Wally 1.92
Joseph 2.68

GA/60
Holtz 2.52
Wally 3.07
Joseph 3.19

Yeah I'd agree. Tough to find a perfect fit. If the sens front office doesn't like marino that throws a wrench in it but frankly in my opinion he'd be a perfect fit in Ottawa as a secondary piece. (and if you've seen my other comments in various places am generally VEHEMENTLY opposed to moving marino)

My offer would be 5th overall+Marino to you, and from us, our 1st+ whatever picks it costs to move up+marino.

Ehh... Brady is not worth more than Kyrou, sorry. Even if you think he's a better player (he's not, just a different type of player), Brady's contract is two years shorter and back-loaded, while Kyrou's contract is front loaded.

There’s a lot more Kyrou in the league than Brady’s which makes Brady more valuable .

Heh.