Can you explain your trade a little bit more? IMO this trade is so awful for Anaheim, but I'd like to know how you see this working?

What would Anderson, Barron, Farrell mean to the Ducks? Where do you see each player playing next year, on which Ducks line/pair?

There are no rumors raises the ones you and your Montreal friends try to make on here

Verbeek said he was never shopping Z

Such an easy pass

First of all, I'd like to say thank you for opening a conversation opportunity. That is much appreciated. I know many Habs fan on this site can be unreasonable, in what the offers are and what we request. Like everyone here we love our Habs like you love your Ducks. (Fair a Square! )

Hope: Anderson 3rd line. Barron 2nd pair
Reality: Anderson 4th line. Barron 3rd pair.
(Farrell Is Mesar Light)

I created an Arm-Chair GM for the Ducks. (I still believe many Ducks fan would be unhappy with the offer.)
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/826037?post_id=4846370
(But as Andy_Dick says, its too much)

I am hoping to find a middle ground (which is why both offers are at an extreme). There may not be a middle-ground. Which is fine, and likely meaning no trade.


GeneralLandro, may absolutely be right, maybe Verbeek isn't Shopping Z at all.

Nevertheless, if something were to happen. What would make both sides feel like they were not ripped off.

Islanders decline

See PLD trade. Habs fans were offering "fair trades" for PLD. Considering leverage. Winnipeg fans were irate. LA swoops in and overpays in comparison to Habs concensus. And, signs him to a contract where Habs fan were considering 7x7 big max. In the end. As of right now. LA is sucking on lemons. Perhaps PLD evolves into that player LA paid to get. But as of right now, it would be fair to deem that, dare I say, Habs fans were right in this regard.

I looked at your other one, which you labelled as "too much". It's not that it's not enough, in its just not the right pieces. Anaheim won't want, if there was a desire to trade him, mid pieces. They would want a high-end piece coming back. Think of Reinbacher, 2024 1st + something else, Slaf. Those are what Anaheim would be after. Think of the Gauthier trade, they sent a high end piece in Drysdale.
Josh Anderson, even at that retention, doesn't have any value and probably even less so to Anaheim. Have to remember that each team would value players differently depending on where they are at. Anderson has less than zero value to Anaheim at 50% retained.
Farrell doesn't have any value, likely not going to be a NHL player. Also not a player Anaheim would want either way.
Barron has a bit of a value, maybe a 2nd. He's the type of player you could package with your 2024 1st.
Winnipeg's 1st, Mesar, Beck all are mid type of pieces. Anaheim, like alot of teams rebuilding, have a bunch of pieces like that.
If you want a high quality player, you have to offer something of high quality in return, not just a bunch of mid stuff. Ask yourself if you would trade Caufield for that package and if you say no, that's probably your answer.

Anderson, at 50% retained. Has value to every single team in the league.

I'm really starting to question Duck fans.

I understand the need to get max value for Zegras. But, is he not simply a skilled 65 point wing that lacks 200 foot game?

And yes. If somehow Caufield was somehow in trade rumours and deemed expendable. A late 1st Beck/Mesar/Baron would look pretty good as a potential return.

Chicago is going to be that team that 'overpays' the Bedard lustre will wear off with such a terrible team, again, in the following year.
Chicago should be making a ton of moves as they are starting from the bottom.
No point in the Habs trying to compete with desperate teams that want to make their key players happy and keep ticket sales going.
Habs dont have to worry about either with waiting lists on tickets and clear growth in their team play with many assets turning pro like Hutson, Reinbacher, Mailloux, Roy, Beck next season.

Anderson at 50% is still overpaid for his production. This season he produced at a fourth line level. Most fourth liners get between league min to 2M. The ones on the higher side are likely either elite at face-offs or elite defensively and Anderson is neither of those. He's decently physical and that would be expected in that roll but at 2.75M, that's still expensive.

Zegras has the potential to be PPG+ guy. He's still young. Also he has been focusing on improving his defensive play and he has said as much. That's why Verbeek signed him to a bridge deal, he wanted to see him improve his two way game.

You would be selling low on Caufield, not that I think he's worth what most Montreal fans would think. If Caufield was available and they didn't get a high end piece in return, Habs fans would be calling for Hughes head.

No reason for Pat Verbeek to accept that joke of an offer, This is a major downgrade for Trevor Zegras.

Thank you for these companion posts.

In his two comment in this thread, @Lancebmx, a non-Anaheim fan, has brilliantly, correctly and perfectly set forth our position on Zegras' trade value: a comparable high-end asset. Think of the Gauthier-Drysdale or Bowen-Mittelstadt trades. The only two such assets you have on your books that you might be willing to give up are David Reinbacher or your own 2024 first. (You're not about to part with Caufield or Slafkovsky, and Suzuki and Guhle aren't RWs or RDs.) A bunch of moderate values like the Winnipeg or 2025 firsts just don't do it.

Since I already mentioned this was on the low end, what value was your comment intending to add?

lol ignore that one lmao

Like it or not, You're going to have to add at least one high end piece. There will be several bidders on Trevor Zegras if Pat Verbeek makes him available. And what Hab fans are offering isn't going to get it done I'm pretty sure that Pat Verbeek will want at least David Reinbacher as a starter and perhaps a few smaller pieces.

You are welcome to go to this Arm Chair GM page and see what you like. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/826037?post_id=4846611 I am aware OldNYIfan has commented on it already. (I don't even think Owen Beck is touchable from Kent Hughes perspective, Mesar might be (but barely), The Calgary first somewhat (slightly), and I would argue all 3 are high asset. Now they might not be what the Ducks want, which is fine. But they are varying levels of high -value.)

It simply won't be that easy or cheap to force Anderson onto another team. Montreal has the cap space and isn't competing, they're better of hanging onto him as opposed to parting with what it would actually take to move him.

If Verbeek likes heavy hitting, power forwards, this is not a dump, especially at almost 50% retained. I agree Montreal is better off not moving Anderson at any retention to begin with.


(Also the other extreme offer is here: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/826037?post_id=4846651)

(Just trying to find any common ground. Lol.) Would you take on Josh Anderson's contract to the Winnipeg Jet's at 50% retained if you knew he could score 50 goals over the next three seasons?

He's not a heavy hitter though from what I've seen and from what most Montreal fans say. He doesn't really use his size much at all.

I'd say no to Anderson at any retention level, you can find 4th liners that provide what he does at close to league minimum and we know he's not going to average 17 goals/season over the next 3 years and will likely only put up about 25 pts/season. Considering he's only done that twice in his career and will be 30 next season.

You really seem to be betting against him. Which is fine, but he is a very serviceable 3rd liner.

But if you need on-ice evidence, here it is, since he entered the league and played his first full season:

2016-2017: 17 goals
2017-2018: 19 goals
2018-2019: 27 goals
2019-2020: 1 goal (Serious Injury)
2020-2021: 17 goals (Shortened Season, 56 games))
2021-2022: 19 goals
2022-2023: 21 goals
2023-2024: 9 goals

Out of 8 'full' seasons he has played, he has scored more than 17 goals in 6 of those seasons. (one of those seasons he only played 26 games)
6/7 = above an 85% he scored 17 goals in that season.
To say you know, he won't average 17 goals over the next three seasons, is quite a claim.
(On a side note: I am rooting for the Jets this play-off. I think Josh Anderson on the third line, if he uses his size, which he can, would be a big addition to get the Jets to win the cup.)

Yeah, I understand trying to make him look good in the hopes that someone bites, but claiming that he's going to continue a goal pace he's had trouble reaching until he's 33 when you can clearly see he's regressed that last few years and almost certainly will continue to regress due to age, is wishful thinking. 25 points is about the max you can hope for.

The Jets 3rd line is their checking line and has been excellent this year, so I wouldn't mess with it to force in a player that isn't a clear upgrade on anyone on that 3td line. He isn't a top sixer, so the 4th line is the only place for him and there are more economical options for that.

Anyways, we're off topic here, so we should probably get back to the actual ACGM, than worry too much about Anderson.

On a loaded Winnipeg Jets team, this year, yes. But on most teams, he is a third line player, if this season was a fluke. Which I believe it was, and one can say it's regression... (A third line winger, for 2.75m over three years is not a dump, is all I am trying to say)

Cool. You like him, I don't. We can agree to disagree. It's all good.

You’re wasting your time with so many ppl here. That wind homer, he called Monahan a 4th line Center on the jets and that Chevy had no interest. Fast forward a few months and he’s top PP, 2nd line Center and plays on their pk.

These haters never admit they are wrong and simply like to gaslight and troll. The best you can do is build a good block list. Sometimes. I’ll take them off just when I’m in the mood for a good laugh. Don’t engage too much, you can’t win, they’ll just make you question how ridiculous they can actually be in real life and you hope they have mental health care and actually go outside every now and then for their own good.