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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21 at 3:52 p.m.
Thread: NSH and EDM Dance Partners
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RWellington</b></div><div>Downgrade? Don't see it that way, there is some debate around Ceci &amp; Carrier. I like Carrier's game, would like to see his game paired with Nurse but I also wonder what his resign tag will come in at.

But Sissons and Foegele are not, keep in mind Sissons is a positional need for EDM (RHC), additionally signed for a reasonable cap hit for 2 seasons after this one. Foegele is a redundancy with Holloway &amp; Mcleod playing LW. Keep in mind the contract is part of the trade equation. Also EDM is in win now mode, the first and former firsts are on the table for certain. You may not like the price but these prices won't be too far off.</div></div>

Ceci and carrier are both 3rd pair D men, sissons and foegele are both best suited playing 3rd line minutes so sure you could argue based on team need sissons might be better for Edmonton but I don’t think it’s because he’s a better player. Regardless swapping ceci for carrier does nothing and suggesting it costs bourgault, foegele and a 1st for sissons is just ridiculous. You could convince me of foegele and bourgault for sissons but nothing more.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 8:56 p.m.
Thread: What could teams pay
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>evelutions2</b></div><div>Not much. In this scenario, Boeser would be a cap dump. It’s unlikely someone pays a premium if the circumstance above holds true. Think like Bjorkstrand to Seattle type of trade. Columbus gave Laine a big money extension (in this case signing Reinhart) and they had to move Bjorkstrand (Boeser here) for pennies on the dollar.

Might be able to get a little more than Bjorkstrand, but it likely isn’t going to be involving items like top prospects or 1st round picks.</div></div>

You couldn’t be any more incorrect with that take. Bjorkstrand has only eclipsed 50 points 1 time in his career he’s probably a 3rd liner on any contending team where as Boeser is currently a point per game and on pace for a 40 goal season. I can’t imagine Van having any interest in moving Boeser, if they wanted to make room for Reinhart or someone like him they’d move Garland.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 7:00 p.m.
Thread: Another Hanifin Variation
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Oh great. Pat yourself on the back for having more first round picks and I’ll do the same for actually competing for the best record in the league rather than the Corey Pronman memorial means jack award.

The open issue I have with Calgary fans is they are pretending that Hanifin isn’t in a walk year less than 5 months away from unrestricted free agency and most players test the market. You aren’t offering Hanifin with multiple years on his contract. Nor are you offering him with a good, tough wing

Lindholm is a fine comparable minus the John Moore salary dump that enabled the signing of Bergeron and the incremental salary over the minimum used to sign Krejci last year. They paid a second for that. So basically it was a first, a second, and a fringe prospect for a player with retention.

Hanifin is worth a first and a second with retention in his walk year. If you value Lohrei as a second round pick, take the second rounder instead. It’s a pretty easy discussion. I’ll throw in a Farinacci, Jelvik, Harrison, Merkulov type to pacify the year wait to a better draft with some injury downside to add to a potential higher pick,

Otherwise, I’ll take my chances that with cap space … Boston can secure a great player in free agency (with Hanifin being a pretty high likelihood) and be in a position next year to trade for the next pending free agent with the picks they kept.</div></div>

Clearly you don’t read very well because I’ve already said I’m not a flames fan. You asked for examples of rental D being acquired at the deadline and I gave them to you. The only way Boston would be able to get Hanifin for only a 1st and Lohrei is if he publically says he only wants to go to Boston. Otherwise every single team in the league beats that offer.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 6:01 p.m.
Thread: Another Hanifin Variation
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Nope. Not at all. I don’t believe Hanifin at his expected salary would get the best D prospect in the league right now (Nemec?). Name the last pending FA defenseman who warranted a high enough pick to secure a top D prospect. Lohrei is a solid top 4 prospect.

I just don’t believe Lohrei would rank fourth on your D prospect list and think the notion that he has similar value to a late second round pick with his current developmental cycle is borderline ignorant and not worth discussing unless a trade actually happens.</div></div>

A few years ago Tampa gave up a 1st and a 3rd for David Savard. Last year boston gave up a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd for Orlov and Hathaway. Hanifin is much better than either of Savard or Orlov… Lohrei isn’t a top D prospect, he’s Boston's top D prospect because they have one of the worst prospect pools in the league right now, there’s a big difference. Lohrei is the kind of guy you add to a deal to push it past the finish line not someone that’s a main piece in a deal if you want a legit top 4 D like Hanifin.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 3:04 p.m.
Thread: Another Hanifin Variation
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>A cap dump is a player you can’t get rid of. I’m pretty comfortable multiple teams would take Grz as depth, you won’t get much, but it would be like a Beauvalier deal. They’d probably need to make it a three team trade. Calgary is still trying to balance competing and I could see Grz staying with a multi year offer

I don’t see many trades where a prospect of Lohrei’s capabilities included with a first round pick for a pending FA outside of fantasy land deals or deals that include multi year cap dumps</div></div>

You seem to think Lohrei is the best d man prospect in the entire league or something. Sure he’s good but he’s already 23 most guys aren’t considered prospects anymore around that age. Seems like we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on the value in a hanifin trade
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 20 at 1:54 p.m.
Thread: Another Hanifin Variation
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>A cap dump is a multi year contract you can’t dump without adding a pick. Unless you aren’t willing to take multiple bids and minimize the trade partners, a one year contract tied to a useful player is probably better than other options

I’m pretty comfortable you won’t be getting a first rounder and a prospect the caliber of Lohrei,</div></div>

Now that’s just simply not true. A cap dump is any contract a team has to move to be able to add another player plus the fact that grzelyck is a # 6 dman making 3.6 mil absolutely makes him a cap dump. I’m not a flames fan so I don’t really care either way if they win or lose a hanifin trade but assuming lohrei and a 1st is an overpayment is simply hilarious. It’s not even enough to get a deal done yet you think Calgary should sent more value back your way