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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 13 at 2:55 p.m.
Thread: Casey
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>Weird way to look at it. It's worth noting GM's don't value the retention slots like pretentious fans on CF do. Hell, David Poile opted to retain 250k on Ekholm. If somebody made that trade prior to when it happened, people would have been up in arms over using a retention slot for that little amount of money.

<strong>I made this in the event that Montreal opts not to make any big trades involving retention and they want to move Casey for a mid pick. And to be honest, I'd rather take a mid pick at the TDL for him than to just waive him and potentially lose him for nothing. </strong>

How is Montreal shooting themselves in the foot? You're acting like I traded Gallaghers contract 50% retained. I just moved a 1B/3rd string goalie, that no, Montreal doesn't really need. They have Monty, Allen, and Primeau. Montreal is nowhere close to contention, especially in the Atlantic. If they don't plan on making any moves retaining on any players, why not get a pick out of it? If they can sell Casey without retention, even better.

Let's not forget we're being stingy over a backup goalie that Montreal doesn't really have use for. It's all just a hypothetical anyway lmfao.</div></div>

Your position is that its a weird way to look at it because you made a ton of big assumptions and didn't bother writing any of them down? Lol.

Yes, this trade makes sense if its half a year from now, Montreal holds on to 4 goaltenders for all that time, and doesn't have any better use of its retention spot.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 13 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread: Casey
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>Lose him for nothing &gt; getting a 4th for him???

Uhh… sure.</div></div>

I'm not sure how its not obvious. Not needing to retain 900k on his contract is worth more than a 4th for a number of reasons:

1) Montreal has one retention spot left, there's a huge opportunity cost to using it for a ****ing 4th, especially if they're trying to sell at the deadline.
2) Even if they aren't selling anything of value at the deadline/don't need that retention spot, Montreal could get a comparable pick as a 3rd party broker at the deadline as they've done the past couple of seasons.
3) If he clears, Montreal saves more money against the cap by waiving him than by retaining 900k.
4) If he gets claimed, Montreal saves even more against the cap and can, again, get a comparable pick as a 3rd party broker.

All these DeSmith with 900k retention for a mid to late round pick proposals so obviously ignore Montreal's needs that its kind of funny. Montreal would prefer to not waive DeSmith, but they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot to avoid doing that. 4th round picks are worth almost nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1 at 2:49 p.m.
Thread: The Bear Star
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>We're trying to remove salary to fit Price on IR for TDL savings, <strong>this doesn't accomplish that</strong> nor does it make us better. The 3rd is the most valuable piece here. Getting a 3rd for any of the 3 players above would be a win. This move would handcuff MTL more than it would help, if they want DeSmith just send a pick. So imo, it should definitely be a "resounding no from Montreal."</div></div>

Not that Montreal needs to still clear cap, but it <strong>absolutely </strong>reduces Montreal's cap burden. Montreal would replace DeSmith's 1.8 mil (only 1.15 mil of which can be buried) with Vladar's 1.1 mil with Calgary retaining 50% (all of which can be buried) and swap another forward with Ruzicka (which would be anywhere from no cap savings to around 400k in cap savings depending on who is waived/sent down). That's around 700k to 1.1 mil in cap savings right there.

Montreal's also not necessarily trying to get better, they're trying to get younger and get players they think they can help develop. I'm not a big Ruzicka fan, but he's definitely the kind of player the front office likes to take chances on and they'd prefer to get him on the ice than a guy like Armia.

I'm also not sure that hockey guys think a mid to late 3rd is more valuable than a 24 year old 6'4" 220 lbs. winger on a cheap contract, even if. 3rd round picks aren't worth very much.