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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2022 at 8:21 p.m.
Thread: Yes Ive lost my mind
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Butlrr</b></div><div>What’s the plan post-Klingberg? Any ideas?</div></div>

That's the million dollar question (actually MORE than that lol), but if anything this year has proven that our defense is not a huge problem, secondary scoring is. I think getting a player like Burakovsky or any kind of scoring 2nd line winger is an absolute necessity. Getting a 2nd pair RHD is a secondary concern.

Ideally I'd want Shattenkirk. He'd be a good 2nd pair D for us at reasonable cost, able to help our PP with Klingberg gone.

Given LA's RHD depth maybe we could make an offer for Walker or Roy. Spence is an option too - I'd like a swap between Spence and Dellandrea, as it can help both teams with DAL getting a young puckmoving RHD and LA gets a right shot two-way forward they're lacking.

Obviously the most ideal scenario is the one where Klingberg re-signs with us with smaller money because he's still really good, but that seems very unlikely.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 9, 2021 at 1:58 p.m.
Thread: What in the world is Boesers trade value
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Butlrr</b></div><div>Good to know he’s untouchable - I can avoid posting my “Rossi for four Vancouver firsts” and “Rossi for Hughes Horvat and Hoglander” proposals.

Honestly, the main reason I posted this is because I’m not yet convinced Guerin knows what he wants to do with his roster. Looking at key guys like Spurgeon I wonder how much he’s looking to build around mid-twenties to early thirties players.

Do the Minny fans here feel confident Bill’s got this?</div></div>

Billy has a plan. Buying out Suter and Parise was a big move with even bigger cap implications. There had to have been a fairly clear plan in place. One would assume that he had to 'sell' that plan to ownership. I don't speak for Craig Leipold but... it would take one hell of a 'plan' to convince me that paying a couple guys millions of dollars 'to stop playing for me' was a good idea.

And I wouldn't call Rossi "untouchable". The Edmonton Oilers set the precedent that absolutely nobody is "untouchable" on August 9th, 1988.

It is just that the asking price for Rossi would be really high, and rightfully so.

In general, this forum tends to overvalue guys like Pettersson and undervalue guys like Rossi. That has nothing to do with talent. I just think the 'business end' of the NHL is overlooked. To be clear - I still think Pettersson nets a greater return than Rossi in a trade (obviously). I just think the return for Elias would be lower than people expect while the return for Marco would be higher than people expect.

Pettersson is an elite C for sure. But he also carries the "elite" $7.3M price tag for the next few years. Trade value decreases as AAV increases regardless of talent. If VAN wants future assets for him, they would need to find a trade partner that has BOTH cap space now AND plenty of future assets (aka "rebuilding" teams). That's a pretty limited market. Limited market = less value. That's just the reality of it.

On the other hand - Rossi is showing every indication that he could be an elite C in the NHL in the near future. He might be in the AHL but make no mistake, this kid is NHL ready. His ELC is also slide-eligible. So a team could potentially have a young, elite C at 894k for three full seasons starting next year. That's huge in a league where GMs are looking at "production per cap dollar". Sure, there's a chance he doesn't work out but, at 894k, its not like his contract would be leaving a 'hole' in the salary cap. The team could just move on. The potential reward far outweighs any risk.

There is not a team in the league that wouldn't be interested in Rossi (or a player like him). If GMBG were to put out the word that 'Rossi is on the trade block', he would get 31 phone calls from other GMs asking about the price before the end of the day. I'm not sure the same could be said for Pettersson ONLY due to the 7.3M cap hit over the next few years.

That said, a contract like Rossi's is ESPECIALLY valuable to the Wild given their cap situation. I think this would push the asking price from "high" to "unreasonable". For that reason, I don't think he moves.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2020 at 11:10 a.m.