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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 5:08 p.m.
Thread: Based on recent rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aelliott10</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dragongrave</b></div><div>

Leivo didn't play the number of games. We don't have what the Jets want for Trouba. Marchenko cost you nothing, so giving him up for nothing isn't a huge issue, and at the same time you could toss him into something.

You assume it will prove a great deal. Hyman isn't staying with Matthews. It's funny how everyone assumes this.

Hyman is 25, he isn't YOUNG. Again, you're not improving the team by giving players contracts they haven't earned. Most forwards at 30 are being pushed out of the league. Hyman plays wing, and doesn't play centre, he doesn't score, he is EASILY replaceable.

I thought this was for people to come up with things that are sane, not just completely insanity.

Leafs will pay Vegas to take Fehr.</div></div>

Your ramblings are of a spoiled child, the only insanity is the word vomit you spew in your posts. Marchenko is not a top 7 d with the leafs next year and not waiver eligible so I suggested getting something for him instead of losing him for nothing, if you had read my description and further comment.

I also stated Hyman will move down the lineup when an upgrade is found for the top 6, again your reading comprehension is way behind, you are too focused on going on a child-like rant. 25 is still quite young for an NHL player, and most forwards at 30 are not being pushed out, it has become a young mans game but the veterans are not being pushed out, it just shows how little you know here. Hyman is a valuable bottom 6 player, and they make 1-3 million dollars in this league. Your hate for hyman and brown after good rookie seasons is the only thing that is insane here.

The leafs only got a fourth round pick for taking Fehr, so why are they going to pay Vegas to take him off their hands? Especially since Pittsburgh only paid the leafs a fourth to take him.

You are a complete moron, go back to talking hockey with your so-called "agent" or "inside" contacts. LOL</div></div>

If you're overpaying Hyman and you are going to replace him then where are you trading him? Lol. You don't seem to get how teams are built.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 5:08 p.m.
Thread: Based on recent rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFan</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aelliott10</b></div><div>

Leivo is eligible , do some research. I would think Vegas would want a young player with upside over Fehr.

I was not saying Vlasic should be their target, I think it should be Trouba, but Im not sure they want to give up that package. Vlasic was just speculated and I was simply stating it would be a good addition. San Jose may be losing Marleau and Thornton or both potentially, may want to get younger up front. Not much out there in terms of UFA this summer.

Soshnikov is terrible, he got passed by Kapanen and has little value to the organization anymore only in a trade, he does not fit the lineup anymore. He was decent on the PK but Kapanen proved he was just as good there.

Marincin is junk and the team would be lucky to get anything to get rid of his contract. Marchenko is not waiver exempt so I suggested getting something for him as I don't think he will be in future plans.

I value a young player who has worked his ass off and had a great year, and can be a valuable member of the team with a cap friendly deal over a bridge contract. I assume you mean Hyman and Brown. Brown on a 3 mil cap hit might be a little steep next season but will prove great a couple years from now. Hyman maybe a little overpaid as well but he worked well with Matthews and can start playing there until an upgrade is found and he can be pushed back down the line where he belongs, on the bottom 6. Teams do not assume their young RFAs will regress, young hockey players usually PROGRESS, and MOST players do not regress after their first year, that statement is ludicrous.

Ive seen you trashing a lot of peoples ideas in the comments, stop being a shithead keyboard warrior and provide something constructive, what are you best friends with Dubas or Hunter or someone in the organization? Get a life dude, its just fellow leafs fans having fun with some ideas to improve the team on an awesome season. Douche bag.</div></div>

I agree with everything you're saying, don't let this guy get to you. I know they like to aggressively take out their day on Leafs Fan's posts. He's got to use his CapsLock to try to make his argument look good. Here's my thoughts:
1. I have not heard anything about Vlasic rumors so I'd be curious to see them but a deal could be made.
2. I think Soshnikov does have some value but he needs to prove he can put up points, I think Leafs keep him and try to see his potential
3. Brown and Hyman contract I think are pretty close, Hyman I think might get a bit less, Lou will point out in negotiations his poor point totals and realistically Hyman has no leverage. I could see a 3yr x 1.7m deal? A 2yr 1.5m deal?

All in all a good post, 5 stars :)</div></div>

How is a 33% reduction close?

You won't do 2 years because then he hits unrestricted free agency, better at 3 years.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 4:36 p.m.
Thread: tweaked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aelliott10</b></div><div>This dragongrave douche is a real piece of work guys. You show you have zero clue with your rants, leave the hockey talk to the men, you go in your room and play with your action figures and your laptop.</div></div>

Zero clue. How is a guy who had 6 EVEN STRENGTH GOALS worth $3.655M? He isn't.

Leafs will most likely go for 1 year or 4 years. 2 years makes no sense, and if you're going 3 years, you go 4 years. If his top end after 4 years is a 3rd line forward at 10 goals, that's no better than $2.5M but I'm going up slowly to $2.5M and will cap him at $2M with $1.7M, $1.9M, $2.1M, $2.3M. His place on the team can be taken by Leivo, Leipsic, Kapanen and many others, he didn't provide much beyond working hard and short handed situations.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 4:33 p.m.
Thread: Based on recent rumours
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aelliott10</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dragongrave</b></div><div>Leivo isn't eligible. Fehr is who the team is aiming for Vegas to take.

Vlasic isn't the top defenseman that the Leafs need, has a no trade, and is going to want too much money.

Not sure why they would want JVR in return. I don't get why you're giving Sosh away for a pick, he has more value on your team especially on the 4th line.

You dump Marincin and Marcheynko for nothing for no reason.

As well you're another person who over values players for 1 year of service time, and you value "hustle" over "talent" which means you are more worried about try hard people over actual TALENTED players.

I don't get why when someone is an RFA and only has 1 year of service time you would give them so much money. How many players regress after their first year? MOST.</div></div>

Leivo is eligible , do some research. I would think Vegas would want a young player with upside over Fehr.

I was not saying Vlasic should be their target, I think it should be Trouba, but Im not sure they want to give up that package. Vlasic was just speculated and I was simply stating it would be a good addition. San Jose may be losing Marleau and Thornton or both potentially, may want to get younger up front. Not much out there in terms of UFA this summer.

Soshnikov is terrible, he got passed by Kapanen and has little value to the organization anymore only in a trade, he does not fit the lineup anymore. He was decent on the PK but Kapanen proved he was just as good there.

Marincin is junk and the team would be lucky to get anything to get rid of his contract. Marchenko is not waiver exempt so I suggested getting something for him as I don't think he will be in future plans.

I value a young player who has worked his ass off and had a great year, and can be a valuable member of the team with a cap friendly deal over a bridge contract. I assume you mean Hyman and Brown. Brown on a 3 mil cap hit might be a little steep next season but will prove great a couple years from now. Hyman maybe a little overpaid as well but he worked well with Matthews and can start playing there until an upgrade is found and he can be pushed back down the line where he belongs, on the bottom 6. Teams do not assume their young RFAs will regress, young hockey players usually PROGRESS, and MOST players do not regress after their first year, that statement is ludicrous.

Ive seen you trashing a lot of peoples ideas in the comments, stop being a shithead keyboard warrior and provide something constructive, what are you best friends with Dubas or Hunter or someone in the organization? Get a life dude, its just fellow leafs fans having fun with some ideas to improve the team on an awesome season. Douche bag.</div></div>

Leivo didn't play the number of games. We don't have what the Jets want for Trouba. Marchenko cost you nothing, so giving him up for nothing isn't a huge issue, and at the same time you could toss him into something.

You assume it will prove a great deal. Hyman isn't staying with Matthews. It's funny how everyone assumes this.

Hyman is 25, he isn't YOUNG. Again, you're not improving the team by giving players contracts they haven't earned. Most forwards at 30 are being pushed out of the league. Hyman plays wing, and doesn't play centre, he doesn't score, he is EASILY replaceable.

I thought this was for people to come up with things that are sane, not just completely insanity.

Leafs will pay Vegas to take Fehr.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 3:53 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 3:07 p.m.
Thread: THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganLAKfan</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dragongrave</b></div><div>Overpaid Hyman for his 6 even strength goals and you only sign him for his last 2 years of control, either 1 year or buy out years, not take him straight to free agency. Overpaid Brown. He will never be a $6M winger so why are you jumping him to $3M right away. That's a lot for Brodin. Taking on Kulemin and Halak for no reason makes no sense.</div></div>

How is hyman overpaid! He was on the pk(relentless), Played great with matthews and nylander and he was one of the dudes always finding them for goals or potential goals. To me he may be underpaid but i'll take that deal anyday</div></div>

Really? He played great with Auston &amp; Nylander? Had just 6 goals while riding with them. To me that's not GREAT. He's overpaid at over $2M for a guy with 1 year of experience. You go to $1.5M but unless he can bring up that goal total to 20 he isn't worth it.

Remember Brown played with less talented players all season and racked up 18 even strength goals. That's 3 times Hyman. Guess he should be paid $6M per year. You don't have to pay them so much so quickly.

Guys on the PK are guys you should be finding at a VALUE DEAL. Remember in 2 years guys like Bozak, JVR and Komarov won't be around anymore, if you put Marner, Nylander, Matthews and Kadri in your top 6, that leaves 2 places. One could be Brown but Hyman is NOT top 6.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread: tweaked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ODOG67</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dragongrave</b></div><div>

Doesn't matter. He was on the wing because there was NO ONE ELSE. You can't put a guy up there who scores TEN goals the entire year. Sorry dude, you over value something that the Leafs have in their system, they need a top line forward to play with him, especially if they want to move Nylander to centre in the future. If not, you still need someone who can finish something. His nickname is HANDS OF STONE HYMAN. 6 goals kind of proves that.

Lots of guys who played SIGNIFICANTLY less this past year did so much more for their teams.</div></div>

Again you demonstrate your myopic, narrow-minded view of how a team is constructed. Hyman doesn't need to be a 30 goal scorer to justify 3+M. He just needs to be intrinsic to the line that Matthews is on and be the top line PK specialist that he is.No one else you say, in caps...what about Josh Leivo Leo Komarov (had 19 the year before)? Both good sturdy forecheckers with NHL shooting abilities, yet Babs didn't move Hyman off Matthews' wing all year. What does that tell you? Claiming there was "NO ONE ELSE" is patently false. What a handful of troglodytes with limited understanding of the Babcock system want to call Hyman means nothing. He's a gamer. I admit 3.6 is generous but as the saying goes: "pay peanuts, you get monkeys". Hyman does all thats asked and more of him. He doesn't score a ton on the top line because he's committed to his role and to following the coach's instructions, not personal stats.</div></div>

Hyman needs to be more than a 10 goal scorer to be a $3M player. Hyman isn't staying on Matthews wing forever, the fact that you think that shows how little you know about hockey. 2 years ago the Leafs were tanking. Where was Hyman going to go. He wasn't shipping him to the 4th line, and there was no reason to move him to Bozak or Kadri as they had their LW's. Hyman was pretty much there because there was NOWHERE ELSE for him to go. It is generally accepted that he should NOT be there. He doesn't score a ton because he isn't that good, for him to play with the LEAGUE LEADER in even strength goals and only have 6 himself shows lack of finish. I'm not arguing with you about the penalty killing and everything else, but what he is, is a THIRD LINE FORWARD and NOTHING MORE. The fact you want to pay him $3.65M is pretty sad and shows your LACK of knowledge.

The best thing is for him to be given a ONE YEAR deal to make sure that he is worth it. Then sign him long term, but Hyman is the type of player that teams typically OVERPAY because of "work ethic". Work Ethic doesn't win you TITLES. It's why the Raptors have ZERO chance against the Cavs now, because they lack the TALENT.

I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings that you think of Hyman of anything more than a Darcy Tucker or Tie Domi. It's also sad that Toronto fans fall in love with "try hard guys" who have no talent like Tie and Darcy. That's part of the reason why the Leafs miss out on GOOD players, because they are too busy with the "try hard" guys.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 1:20 p.m.
Thread: tweaked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ODOG67</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dragongrave</b></div><div>Zach Hyman $3.655M? That's about all we need to know before we know you know NOTHING about hockey.

SIX EVEN STRENGTH GOALS AND A THIRD LINER.</div></div>


You're one angry, overly opinionated little man. Your Third liner is Babcock's L1 and he creates a ton of space for Matthews and Nylander/Brown/whoever is playing R1 by crashing and banging and drawing heat to himself. He is relentless in the corners and in front of the net and he forechecks like his job depends on it. Also a FANTASTIC penalty killer who has earned his coach's respect, which is worth a lot more than your amateur criticism of him. He represents everything that the pre-shanny Leafs could never be: coachable, self-driven, forechecks without being reminded to do so (you couldn't pay the 2013-14 Leafs to forecheck) and he plays a gritty, unpleasant game that makes him invaluable. I watched almost decade of Leafs hockey in which nobody with any skill would stand in front of the net and pay the price to set up a layered screen or bang in a greasy rebound because nobody was willing to get cross checked all night. Remember Luca Caputi? Penguins pick who was supposed to be the guy Ponikarovsky could only manage to be when he felt brave enough to use his big body to establish net-front presence. Hyman isn't there on the top line to be a goal scorer. You clearly don't understand his role. He's there to do the heavy lifting, and draw fire away from Matthews and disrupt the defense. It's Babcock's go-to strategy, Hyman was there on Matthews' wing all year, and he accomplished the task set out by his coach as expected. If 3.6 seems like an overpay for a top line winger who has earned his coach' trust, you go on ahead and explain your position, and don't use the goal totals argument because that's already been debunked.</div></div>

Doesn't matter. He was on the wing because there was NO ONE ELSE. You can't put a guy up there who scores TEN goals the entire year. Sorry dude, you over value something that the Leafs have in their system, they need a top line forward to play with him, especially if they want to move Nylander to centre in the future. If not, you still need someone who can finish something. His nickname is HANDS OF STONE HYMAN. 6 goals kind of proves that.

Lots of guys who played SIGNIFICANTLY less this past year did so much more for their teams.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29, 2017 at 8:52 a.m.
Thread: tweaked
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>orignalsix</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dragongrave</b></div><div>

I said 6 even strength goals. How many people score 4 or more shorthanded goals every year? Not many.

He has ONE YEAR in the league, that doesn't get him a 400% raise.

I'm more of an expert than many of the people here. Considering some of my personal clients in my business are the player agents, the players, and management.</div></div>

More false news.</div></div>

False news? Lol. I have a friend who is friend's with the Hyman family.

So if he is worth $3M, then please tell me why Mason Raymond got bought out after 1 year of his 3 year $9M deal? It's because you can't pay people $3M to score 10 goals where 4 are short handed.

Brown had 18 even strength goals.

Even strength goals are a better view of talent because you play MOST of your time at even strength. He doesn't win faceoffs, he doesn't play centre.