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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 25 at 3:37 p.m.
Forum: NHLFeb. 13 at 12:41 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Yeah, because what the league thinks isn't in line with what should happen... It's never been like that... If that's your excuse for why Rielly deserves anymore than 3, than you are wrong... Rielly's main point of contact was the shoulder, and it rode up to the head, Greig's also fine after the play and Rielly's decision didn't come out of nowhere... That's shouldn't be more than 2 games...




Neither were! Trouba's was after a scrummed everyone was debriefing and he, two handed, chopped on Fredric's head... There was no hockey play there! Lizzotte, the play was in a different zone, and Morrissey was willing to drop his gloves (which he did, Greig turtled, <strong>guaranteed if Greig dropped gloves, we wouldn't have batted an eye</strong>)



Rielly went to rough Greig up via cross checks... It's happened countless times, the only difference is that Greig turtled, making the stick ride up to the head... <strong>What's stopping a guy like Tkachuk or Cousins from doing the same in a playoff series in the middle of a scrum</strong>? If you want, I can show countless examples or guys roughing each other up via cross checks...

And it's not that bad of a punishment for the Leafs, they can rally behind it and could go 4-1-0 (as they've gone 14-2-1 when Rielly wasn't playing last year via injury). Ask anybody in that Leafs room, and they all support Rielly's decision...

And please, when does someone face wash as a retaliatory act</div></div>

Look, we are obviously not going to agree here. I think it's childish to point fingers at other teams and say "but he got away with it!!!111" when your guy is caught red-handed. Rielly did something incredibly stupid and deserves whatever suspension he's getting, and I personally hope it's a long one so it can serve as a deterrent to get this kind of garbage out of the game.

But I wanted to highlight two things you said. First off - I actually agree with you here, and I think I've been pretty open throughout this thread that Rielly could have easily made the choice to throw down the gloves if he wanted to. The reason I keep being amazed that you're blaming Greig for "turtling" is because I don't see how he can actually turtle when he was never offered anything but a cross check thrown towards his head. Most folks would call that "bracing for impact" but you keep trying to shift the blame on to Greig for what, exactly? Should he have dropped the gloves and tried to throw hands at Rielly's stick?

And the second part is what I've been saying about Rielly being a selfish dickhead here. You're 100% right - everyone in the league is talking about this, and what's stopping a guy like Matt Tkachuk or Brad Marchand from slapping home an empty-netter in a playoff game to try and get under Rielly's skin again? If you don't think a guy like that is going to relish the opportunity to get the Leafs to make another stupid, emotional decision, then I've got a bridge to sell you. Rielly's gonna have to play like a saint now, because next time he'll be a "repeat offender" (for whatever that counts at DoPS).
Forum: NHLFeb. 11 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread: How many games should Morgan Reilly get?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>I’m gonna be wrong but imma argue for 0:

1. <strong>No history</strong>
2. No injury
3. Rivalry game
4. Not the instigator

I think that the player should argue that the showboating during live play was an instigation. The player should argue that out of the last 15,000 empty net goals, he cannot find another that looks like this one did. He should argue that if the players are discouraged from policing themselves then the league will be worse off in the long run.

Whether any of that is true? Shrug emoji. It’s what I’d argue. Send me in coach.

$5k fine cause keep ur stick down.</div></div>
Sorry bruh, but that's the <strong>wrong </strong>answer cause you are giving "700+ players a free-bee" as they all one day started w/ NO HISTORY...

To make formative, culture change happen, it has to be:
"McDavid = 5 games min"
"Marchand = 5 games min"
Rielly = " " "
Lady Byng = " " "
etc etc etc ....
Forum: NHLFeb. 12 at 6:17 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Both were after the whistle and dirty... They both were actually worse than the Rielly one... Especially the Trouba one...</div></div>

if you're really gonna stand here and say that Trouba's one-handed follow through that carelessly clipped Frederic on the back of the neck/head is *worse* than Rielly skating towards Grieg and hitting him with a fully-controlled, two-handed cross check to the head/neck area, then I don't know what to say man. I'm an Islanders fan and you've got me defending the biggest dickhead on the Rangers right now because you think a stupid, careless action is worse than a clearly purposeful and fully in control action.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Because you'd think if the Leafs players and coach go and defend their guy hardcore, the Sens would do the same right?

Why is that answer no if Greig's so blatantly in the right?</div></div>

Your constant striving to try and shift the blame back to Greig and the antiquated notions of "the code" is borderline embarrassing. You know who didn't follow the code on Saturday Night? Morgan Rielly - because if you have such a problem with someone's "classless" act, answering it with a much more classless act just makes you look that much worse. I'm cribbing from Ian Mendes here, but if Greig had so many options other than slapping it home into the empty net, why are we acting like Rielly only had the options to do nothing or to do this?

Rielly comes of looking like a major loser. You don't want to get shown up? Don't lose the game. If Rielly keeps his cool, all we're talking about is how Grieg was a sore winner who should "act like he's been there before"; instead, everyone but the true-bluest Leafs homers is talking about how Rielly can't control his emotions when the chips are down.
Forum: NHLFeb. 11 at 11:06 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general all this will lead to nothing he will over punish some scapegoats then under punish or fine others for more dangerous plays

This year seems to be more overpunishments but we know what will come. Next year 0 consistency again probs will see shorter suspensions lul

Already have 3 overpunishments this season which is a new record

Last season similar plays = 3-4 games and this was for repeat offenders

Parros dont got standards and he never will as he loves the wheel to much.

Guaranteed hes gonna drop the bar again like he always does as the Wilson incident basically showed us he got 0 idea what he doing


Like this got 1 game

https://twitter.com/josephdzita/status/1756776430686380330</div></div>

then you know what the leafs have to do: give Brendan Shanahan back to the league, because he was probably the most reliable head of discipline they've had in quite some time
Forum: NHLFeb. 11 at 9:37 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Your first comp is the Wilson on Panarin scrum, which I'm pretty sure -nobody- was happy with the outcome of. If your first "comp" is an incident that was widely condemned as one of the worst DoPS decisions in the past few years, I don't think it's gonna carry the water you want it to.

Your second comp is Trouba and Frederic getting tied up near the goal and Trouba clipping Frederic on the back of the head with a one-handed follow through on his stick. Should it have been called? 100%. Is it anywhere near comparable to what Rielly did? Absofrigginlutely not. It was a hockey play - a sloppy and sneaky play, but it was during the course of action and you could at least make a half-hearted defense of it. Rielly hit Grieg after he scored, with play stopped, in a non-hockey situation. The only reason it wasn't a straight cross-check to the head was Grieg saw it coming and braced himself.



you can't say that DoPS has been unreliable and not punishing people in the past and then complain that they're "over-punishing" guys this year. if anything, that means that they're actually trying to do the one thing we're all asking them to: be consistent in your punishments and actually try and use these punishments as deterrents. I actually do hope that this is the beginning of them being more of a consistent and useful department that helps legislate the dirtier moments out of this game.</div></div>

Seem your new to the whole DOPS talk so let me explain

DOPS has been unreliable since the day Parros took over

He has no standard everyone agrees here. Why u think we joke about the wheel or watch it be a 5k fine.

This season especially its been pretty bad especially with overpunishments, 6 games b2b for first time offenders when the standard last year was at most 2-3 games and 4 for repeat doing this stuff. And u know why we say overpunishments cause as said before 0 standard. Watch someone else gonna do what Rielly and Perron did or something worse get 2 games then we be going huh

Especially when got guys like Wilson rag dolling people nothing, Bennett choke slamming someone and that list goes on but hey least it aint nothing 5k fine or a 1 game slap on the wrist.

Least the NYR had the ballz to call him out. Wish more orgs would do the same as while it aint cheap would show guys not fit to run that department
Forum: NHLFeb. 10 at 10:52 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
I guess I’ll toss my two cents into this

What Grieg did was objectively not the classiest move and well that’s a lesson learned looking at it for him now

However. Reilly 100% intentionally crossed checked him in the face. Can’t even say his stick went up his shoulders. He didn’t touch them at all. That’s a chicken move and does not have a place in hockey, if you’re actively defending Reilly here, idk man, the excuse of “oh look at back then” is over. It’s a newer, safer era of hockey. Accept it. Saying that’s embellishing is craaaazy

Reilly in my eyes should get 2 but if he gets more it’s his fault. You can’t do that, not now. Two key games to stay alive in the east coming up in Philadelphia and St Louis. Who are good or red hot rn. Reilly also learned a lesson. And will be learning a lesson on how to control a stick
Forum: NHLFeb. 10 at 10:06 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #3: After Further Review...
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Not even remotely comparable, Grieg clearly disrespected the Leafs and he knew exactly what was coming to him. Scheifele running Evans after Evans did literally nothing was uncalled for. Grieg is a little b**** for that, have some class at the end of a game your team clearly won</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Yeah, bc you don't f****g do what Greig did...

It's a sign of disrespect...</div></div>

Doesn’t mean you go over and intentionally cross check a guy in the face

If that happened to Matthews we all know how Leafs fans would be reacting. That should be a lengthy suspension for Rielly
Forum: NHLFeb. 9 at 8:56 a.m.