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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 9:23 p.m.
Thread: Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Debrincat is already past the middle of his prime by average. Prime scoring age is 22-27. He is 27 in December.
Fabbri is there because I wasnt going to use guys who were already 28+ and there really isnt a lot a head of him on the roster as far as forwards go in that regard
And as I stated before Ras was there because half a dozen redwings fans got really mad at me last year when I said the exact same thing you did here because he was apparently gonna be a 2C beast just I wait.</div></div>

Prime scoring age is 22-27? Cite your source, please.
Fabbri played almost exclusively in Detroit's Bottom 6. That's at least half the forward core ahead of him. Also, which Wings fans were saying Ras was a 2C? Literally nobody I've seen in the actual Wings fandom claimed he would be. I believe enough evidence has been presented pointing otherwise.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 9:17 p.m.
Thread: Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>1- I was as big a Holl supporter as there was around here when he was a Leaf (IE I was aware he was simply an OK number 4 most of his tenure in toronto) and yet I was told constantly that he had no compete, that is why I presented them to your buddy there who has done nothing but talk him down and wont even say he has compete
2-prospects are prospects, and until they prove they can do anything at the NHL level, they are simply that. The wings dont have a McDavid or Mackinnon in the wings who is all but a lock to be a star and push a competitive window. If you cant even see the window, you cant say it's gonna open ever. So we go by what the wings are icing now.
3-no, a bunch of plugs dont need to be added to the roster. A guy like Perron? Kane? Sure, get a vet leader or two who has been there. Yzerman has added and over paid for Compher, Copp, Holl, Husso, and Chariot, and then added other vet guys in Ghost, Petry Maatta etc. He has spent a lot of money to be as good as he would be if he shopped in the bargain bin</div></div>

1) All I had ever seen was non-Leafs fans saying Holl wasn't good, and Leafs fans saying he was. Skill was in question, not compete. Not effort. If you have evidence otherwise, I'd be happy to see it.
2) 32 teams don't currently have a McDavid or a MacKinnon in the wings. The Wings have... a 19 year old defenseman who was just voted the best in the SHL. Could be a star. A 19 year old center who was a point per game on a WHL team that basically consisted of himself. Now, he's leading the Winterhawks in playoff points. Could be good. They have a 20 year old center, 21 year old blue chip defenseman (Kasper and Edvinsson, in case you can't figure it out) as big pieces of their AHL team. Probably good additions, right? Not to mention Cossa (AHL playoff starter and the whole 19 games straight without a regulation loss at 21 years old) and Trey Augustine being his NCAA team MVP probably means something. But no, they're totally nothing because you say so. If you knew anything about the Wings' prospects, you could see the window. It's not hard. You just have to stop ignoring things that don't support your argument.
3) Why would the Wings ice a 10 player team? You sign plugs to hold roster spots until prospects are ready to take over. Rushing players can stunt their development, or lead to player entitlement.
As for contracts...
Compher's fine.
Copp is too much for too long. Possibly a buyout candidate or cap dump.
Holl was bad from the start. But he's still better than Lindstrom, who couldn't even crack Montreal or Anaheim's blueline. Bad contract, but there wasn't another option at the time.
Chiarot is also too much for too long. Can be useful in the right scenario, and provides some leadership, but not a good contract.
Ghost was brought in to help the powerplay. He did, it's fine. Now he probably goes somewhere else. As a plug.
Petry was a short term upgrade over Holl.
Maattaa was another "nobody is ready and nobody is better." He' a little overpaid, but he's fine.

What's your actual argument here? Who else could Yzerman have signed? Who was available at the time that would have been a better signing, that would have definitely signed in Detroit?
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 8:52 p.m.
Thread: Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>wow, the w

1- You said Yzerman only liked guy with compete, he over paid for holl who you yourself say i 'a plug' and thus doesnt have compete
2-yeah, like i said, they are literally in the middle of their window with this roster. reading is hard apparently
3-trading for a guy in his prime is literally a try and win now move, especially when you sign a bunch of vets to bolster your roster. This is literally what teams trying to compete do every single year

i didnt abandon anything, you just keep repeating things over and over again and throwing insults around like it makes your points better

So back to the original point, Yzerman would be all over a Marner trade if he could, especially since he clearly has the same amount of compete as the rest of his recent big moves</div></div>

Yes, adding good young players to a team is a W. Dare I say they may even make it out of the first round more than once during their window.
To your points...
1) Being a plug is not an indicator of a player's compete. It means that you're a temporary fill for a roster, not a major piece going forward. Like David Kampf, for example. Holl is a plug and has compete. He's just not good.
2) The Wings have as many, if not more high-rated prospects in their system than good players on the roster. How is that "in the middle of a window," especially considering half of their good players are 23 and under?
3) Again, a bunch of plugs were added to the roster. Yzerman saw an opportunity to trade a late round pick that is less likely to amount to something, along with some spare parts, and fill a major need on the roster. He took it. The objective was to make the Wings less likely to get blown out on the regular, not to win the cup. Your argument is misframed.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 8:28 p.m.
Thread: Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>you talk more about the leafs than you do the red wings, hey, i get it, ive seen the wings roster</div></div>

Or... and hear me out, I know this is hard to process when your team has had 1, maybe 2 good prospects in the last decade... That's when Larkin and DeBrincat are at the tail end of their prime, Edvinson has mpre experience and a major role, Raymond (the 30 goal scorer at 22 years old) and Seider (by far most difficult matchups in the salary cap era) are entering their prime, Kasper, Danielson, and (SHL Champion and Salming Trophy winner) Sandin Pellika have all made the team, and Cossa and Augustine should be vying for the starting gig. Crazy how having a top rated prospect pool makes your team's future bright, especially when they just missed the playoffs with a roster half full of plugs.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 28 at 7:54 p.m.
Thread: Patrick Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Haha. I mean... I wouldn't call that a "tinfoil hat theory." It sounds pretty legit to me. Among other things, It's this whole "Influencer" culture infiltrating every aspect of society, not just media. Although, media is probably the most visible because it's everywhere. You can see everything going downhill in quality from food to goods to services to skilled labor (or should I say unskilled). There's good stuff out there too, but everything is so oversaturated with millions of people trying to do the same things. Most of them can sell themselves all day long, but they aren't actually capable of doing those things. Everything is a sales pitch now.

So, yeah, they are spiraling. Even organizations like The Athletic should be feeling the pressure. The New York Times won't hesitate for a second to let the athletic go under and write it off on their taxes, if subscriptions fall below a certain threshold. Which I predict is probably going to happen in the next year or so. They already did all those layoffs last year, subscription prices are going up, quality is going down, and consumers barely have money to eat, let alone pay for a subscription to the athletic. It's not crazy, or a conspiracy theory, if you pay attention, it's just obvious that things are not ok.

lol. Can I take my tinfoil hat off now before I have a stroke?</div></div>

Sad part is, that's all entirely reasonable and makes a lot of sense. Higher cost for lower quality product is kind of the name of the game now, and inflation has everybody more broke than ever. Add that into everything being bought out by larger corporations, I can't remember exactly where, but I had heard advertising revenue was somewhere around half of where it was about a year ago, which would support the push for subscription services. Add all these factors together, and you have a downward spiral for all these companies.
"May you live in interesting times" combined with a Monkey's Paw. If you start to smell toast, definitely lose the tinfoil hat lol
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 15 at 6:25 p.m.
Thread: Patrick Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Exactly. They're looking for clicks. Which is fine, it's their job. But there are other ways to generate interesting stories, if you can dig a little deeper. Although, hoping for a larger demographic of our fanbases to take interest in prospects, development, and intricate details of the game might be more ambitious than it is realistic. haha</div></div>

If you'll excuse my tinfoil hat for a second, that could be why legacy sports media sources are on the downward spiral. There's so many podcasts, independent people, and even organizations like the Athletic covering advanced theories, statistics, prospects and development, It's impossible to cover half of it. Even Youtubers like The Hockey Guy and Hockey Psychology do a better job covering the sport than the usual beat writers.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7 at 6:03 p.m.
Thread: Patrick Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Yeah. Idk. Some fans complain and some are on board with being patient. I think some of the CHI beat writers make a bigger deal out of poor performances because, well, that's their job and there isn't currently a whole lot to write about unless they are willing to dig deeper, which most of them don't seem to be. Everything I see seems to be very surface level and reactionary, none of them seem to actually watch juniors or college prospects. None of them seem very interested in profiling draft eligible players, and/or speculating on what they are trying to build/what the finished product could look like/etc.

Personally, I am on board with the patient approach. I am in no rush for any results. I fully realize how long this is going to take if they are going to do it right, and I am very intrigued by scouting, development, and the entire rebuild process, really. In discussions, people are always putting deadlines on things where there doesn't need to be. Like "oh, they gotta be better this year" or "they gotta be better next year", "there needs to be tangible steps taken", etc. Players take time, and we can't rush this. Plus, I don't want some late 20's dude getting overpaid because they had a really good season and then their contract becoming a boat anchor when we are actually ready to start competing again because their career is winding down.</div></div>

Something similar is happening in Detroit, I think. Both teams have been bad for awhile, but recently went through a regime change after starting a rebuild way too late. Parts of the fanbase could be a bit restless, but it's not like either team will suddenly be good overnight. Beat writers might just be looking for clicks.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 7 at 5:54 p.m.
Thread: Montreal trade coming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Whatever dude this is just silly</div></div>

Yes, it is silly. It's silly that you make definitive statements about topics you clearly have little to no understanding of. It's silly that nearly all of the statistics and historical information you spout is not only inaccurate, but easily discovered through simple google searches or a click away from the homepage here. It's silly that you are unable to elaborate on any of the opinions you've presented outside of "whatever," "this is silly," or "you're attacking the Leafs." It's silly that you either refuse to acknowledge when you're wrong, or double down after already having been proven wrong.
Or maybe it's silly of me to expect anything else from you, considering this is par for the course on this website. Maybe it's silly of me to think that proving you wrong would prompt you to maybe start doing some research once in awhile so you can actually be informed on your opinions. Or, maybe silliest of all, that conversing with you was at all worth any amount of time.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 3 at 8:14 p.m.
Thread: Montreal trade coming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>I think the credit he gets in Tampa is unfairly heaped onto his shoulders. I haven't liked his moves in Detroit and I fully expect it will prove to be a flawed rebuild. The signing of old guys will hurt him. They haven't had enough low picks. Other rebuilding teams will pass them by and they will be either bubble teams or miss the playoffs entirely. There is no way to substantiate that until it happens. It's called a prediction. You do understand what that is right?</div></div>

And why was the credit unfairly given to him? He was the GM, he brought in the staff, execs, coaches, and players. Do you think he just sat there while everyone else did everything?
You've listed three moves that were "bad" and nothing else. You haven't mentioned how half of his draft picks in Detroit have overperformed their draft position, the fleecings of trades (Fabbri for Jacob De La Rose, Walman and a 2nd for Nick Leddy, Bertuzzi (for a first) and spare parts for Alex DeBrincat, Hronek for 3 draft picks, one of which is setting records in the SHL, by the way). Did any of that factor into your prediction? Or that all of the "old guys (of which, Perron was by far the oldest, at 34) are all off the books in 4 years or less. Not every move he's made has been good, but he's made far more good moves than bad.

Every bit of information you've placed into your "prediction" is baseless, incomplete speculation lacking any credible evidence, context or insight. Anything you have provided has been easily disproven through basic google searches. Your "prediction," quite frankly, sucks. You might as well just say you think Yzerman is bad because he isn't working for the Leafs.