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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 23 at 10:55 a.m.
Thread: Rant: What's the obsession with guys like Mario Ferraro, Pat Maroon, and Adam Larsson?
To start...I think this site and the fans it attracts are those who are looking to be fantasy GMs and try and improve their teams.

For the Leafs...we are in win now mode...so clearly looking to add talent vs sell for futures.

When looking for realistic trade partners...it's natural to look at teams outside the playoff picture who might be looking to move pieces who are 1-2yrs away from free agency that might not be a part of their future.

Add to that, most leaf fans feel like it's our D and toughness that have been shortcomings in past playoff appearances.

So that's why those specific names are popping up..simply because they meet the criteria of the above.

Does that make them additions that will improve the team or be worth the cost to acquire? No. But to me it's a simple explanation as to why you're seeing those names.

For me, I tend to agree on Ferraro. I think he could be a good add but, with limited assets and cap space to use, he's not the guy I'd take a risk on unless he comes quite cheap

Larsson I will tend to disagree with you on. Again, depends on the cost to acquire him, but Rielly has always seemed to take his game to a higher level when he has a simple, defensive D paired with him. Larsson would bring that steady presence and has been a top 2-4 d-man pretty much his entire career....and again, he meets the criteria noted above

Pat Maroon and Bogosian? I mean, if you're picking them up for 5-6th round picks with the idea that they'll sit in the pressbox and be insurance against injury...sure...maybe...if you'd rather have vets like that available to fill in instead of using the youth that we have been so far....but neither are guys I would think makes this team better or should take playing time away from anyone already on the roster.

Everything is subjective until we can see it in practice.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 22 at 3:23 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>A few notes from these 5 games:

- Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander is the second line and I don't want to see any other variant

- Lilly and Bert deserve PP1 time... Gives Mo and JT a break

- JT can't lose his cool, the game swung into AZ's favour when that happened, McMann is perfect for that

- Lilly needs to be playing top 4 minutes, he's too good</div></div>

JT, I feel, has looked better in a reduced role. I just don't think he was able to keep up with Bill and I think having somewhat sheltered minutes has been beneficial.

Brodie looks a lot better. Not sure if it's from playing the left side or what...but he's close to being back to last year's type of output so hopefully that keeps up.

Lilly has been very impressive. Has had some shifts where he's playing like a man possessed and seems to be picking his spots better as far as when to pinch.

Woll is on a conditioning stint. If he can come back and share quality starts with Sammy we may finally get some consistent results down the stretch.

and I guess better late than never...but gotta give at least some kudos to Chief Keefe for mixing the lines a bit...hopefully they don't let their foot off the gas with Morgan returning.

tough schedule coming up so should be fun to see how they rise to the challenge.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 21 at 1:17 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Thats what im thinking and also

Matthews is doing some crazy ****. You got for it when he doing that

Now im not saying 1st for Tanev (As if tree wanted to do it would be done rn) but I got a feeling it may not be here by TDL agreed. Question is whose it gonna be for.</div></div>

Just because he hasn't done it yet, doesn't mean he won't cave. Like most GM's, Tre goes with the TDL philosophy of letting his team's play on the ice dictate any potential moves. But we need to stop the cycle of giving up firsts for rentals. I don't buy into the "going for it" strategy just because Matthews is putting up a monster season. Too many holes to plug with not enough resources.

See what we can add with term or an extension, yes...but the heavy lifting should be done in the offseason.

You're initial wish-list item...Adam Larsson...would still be a smart add for me
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 21 at 9:43 a.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Man TDL news is all over the place for us lul



Pagnotta: Leafs interested in PKG for Kunin and Ferraro

CJ: Leafs eyeing Hanifin and thinks Hanifin okay with Toronto

Friedman: Leafs offered multiple picks for Tanev (no first)

Then there was that other report saying if Leafs move the first its for two or more players



Should be interesting</div></div>

I think we need to mentally part ways with the first rounder. Tre has been looking for D since he got here and I don't think he can get anything of worth done without moving it.

Can easily connect the dots to see that he's tried to get 2 pieces with the 1st rounder but obviously nothing has materialized yet.

Sounds like this draft isn't particularly deep so maybe that's also a ding on how other GM's value a late pick in the first round.

I think we end up using it on Tanev....not advocating for that to happen...just where I think we end up
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 16 at 11:27 a.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Just to add to the Liljegren comments. I wouldn't trade him for Tanev. He made good plays on the Leafs 3rd and 4th goals last night. I've been kinda dismayed why so many Leaf fans are so love Calgary Dmen. There is defensive record isn't much better than the Leafs, and IMO it was Leafs poor goaltending for a stretch attributed to goals allowed.
Maybe it's kinda of a blessing Reilly has will be out five games. Gives Lagaesson ice time. Any chance of a long playoff run, you probably need eight Dmen due to injuries. Too bad Timmins has mono, he needs game time too,</div></div>

I think it was just the nature of Calgary being a team that, in the past few seasons, has been hard to play against, but now they're a couple seasons removed from contending and have/had 3 guys on deals as pending UFA's. Probably just natural to look at teams who are likely to be sellers and have quality pieces coming up on free agency.

As for Liljegren....I agree, he had a pretty good game last night. For the record, I'm not advocating he should be traded...was moreso interested in the discussion as to if we still think he's showing hints of being capable of taking another step anytime soon...because, if he's just going to max out as a bottom 4 guy, could make sense to move him for assets or someone with more consistency as you can add bottom pairing d-men relatively cheaply moving forward.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 15 at 11:42 a.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 13 at 10:23 a.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>I think Tocchet would be a great coach for TO right now, but the defence still sucks. The reality is looking more and more to my eyes that Shanahan is a big problem. He meddles and gives directions and Treliving is a sham. Guy just hires name recognition and has no real idea where he's going. Keeping the core is wise but you need a coach who can get a full team rolling. Keefe just plays his stars into the ground and runs out of steam in the playoffs. Every year it's the same thing.</div></div>

I largely agree...but I think it's a combo of poor coaching and lack of depth. And it makes us way too easy to defend against in the playoffs. Would love an offseason where we re-shape this D-core and bring in a new coach that can put a better system in place (i'm still wishing upon a star for Brind'Amour)
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 13 at 10:15 a.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>It was a show of disrespect. Classless move. Not doing anything makes TO look like the chump everyone says they are. No heart and all soft. A cross check to the head is a bit much but going after the guy is warranted. You don't let people disrespect you. About time the team got mad at this display of disrespect</div></div>

mountains out of molehills. This isn't something dangerous or disrespectful done to a specific player...this is kind of like mouthing off to the bench as you go by.

There's been more than one former player come out and say....of all the things to take offense to...this was so incredibly insignificant and the only reason we're giving it any air time is due to Morgan's overreaction to it.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 12 at 7:46 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 12 at 6:17 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 12 at 6:16 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general we see a lot of what that article has said happen in the NHL through warmup scrums when an opponent crosses the line, the helmet rule, and others

Every sport has em. One guy can say one thing but maybe he didnt know about em cause he never did anything

Im sure if he did any of whats on that list he would have heard about it.</div></div>
Umm. Yea. Matthew Barnaby was pretty much known for always crossing the line with stuff.

Point is, if we, as a fanbase, are all the sudden going to get all sensitive about something like a slap shot into an empty net…something I’m sure none of us ever gave much thought to, than we should all be embarrassed for how soft we are
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 12 at 4:39 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>If they didnt respond people would have celled them soft and had no emotion. We see it with others respose has to be made

Look at the playoffs last year. Leafs blowout loss vs. TBL game 1 nothing. Game 2 TBL got chippy left right and center after they were getting blown out. Cant go away quietly

Moving back to this situation think of it like Basketball there's a reason nobody shoots final 30seconds in a blowout game or a game you know your gonna win and they just dribble final min. Now some guys forget or still decide **** it but theres often a response even by their own coach sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/00ebOe2fQL0



In the NHL the unwritten rule is basically dont puck around with ENG. As notice nobody but him did it. Well now he knows lul.

But yea there be some intriguing unwritten rules some even I forgot about
<strong>
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458266-the-15-unwritten-rules-of-the-nhl</strong></div></div>

Forgive me if I take the word of a 15year vet over this dumb article
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 12 at 4:35 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>If they didnt respond people would have celled them soft and had no emotion. We see it with others respose has to be made

Look at the playoffs last year. Leafs blowout loss vs. TBL game 1 nothing. Game 2 TBL got chippy left right and center after they were getting blown out. Cant go away quietly

Moving back to this situation think of it like Basketball there's a reason nobody shoots final 30seconds in a blowout game or a game you know your gonna win and they just dribble final min. Now some guys forget or still decide **** it but theres often a response even by their own coach sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/00ebOe2fQL0



In the NHL the unwritten rule is basically dont puck around with ENG. As notice nobody but him did it. Well now he knows lul.

But yea there be some intriguing unwritten rules some even I forgot about

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458266-the-15-unwritten-rules-of-the-nhl</div></div>

If they didn't respond to a guy taking a slap shot on an open net I doubt most of us would have noticed or cared.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsFeb. 12 at 2:07 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So whats he supposed to do... nothing?

What Greig did was not a hockey play and knowing him he would have been to ***** to drop the gloves with Rielly. Basically there was gonna be a response like that unless he had the ballz to drop but we all know Greig would scamper away like a rat. Its like when u shoot at the final seconds of a blowout game in basketball there is gonna be a response.

Its a lose/lose situation

<strong>If Rielly did nothing people would say team has no spark or heart.</strong> He does something oh no need for that. So what we want people. Yes should have aimed lower but what can you do

No team would have allowed Greig to get away with what he did and he would have been lying on the ice anyway

Greig is lucky this was not BOS, FLA, or any of the other more vicious teams as they would have sent him to the ER as if u dont think Marchand or Bennett wouldnt take a suspension to make a point oh boy.

Anyways Greig learned a valuable lesson and knows if he does that again there gonna be a response from other teams.</div></div>

I really don't think, of all the crap the leafs showed Saturday night....that anyone would pay attention to a lack of reaction to the empty net slap shot.

That being said, I like the emotion...wish it wasn't to the head....but I think it's also silly to think there HAD to be a response there.