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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
Thread: 2 plus 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Edmonton definitely declines the first 3 trades as they make the team worse.

The 4th trade makes the team better but I doubt they would pay that high a price (both the trade assets and the contract) for a guy who isn't better than McLeod at 5v5 and doesn't kill penalties (McLeod does).</div></div>

I'm not sure the Oilers would decline the Zadina one. Cheaper, bigger winger, with a higher scoring ability. The other trades I would agree with. I also don't know why people are so quick to dump Campbell. Does no one understand how bad it would look to any other free agent that was thinking of signing here. Also, put who is making what money aside, a tandem of Skinner and Campbell making 7 million for the next two years is a positive for this team. No way I would be attaching a first to him just to sign a different 30 yo goalie that will back up Stu
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
Thread: 2024
I like this roster but I think some of the moves are a little far fetched. Doubt the Oilers can convince Bouch to sign for 8 years. Also might be smarter for them on a long term deal to go like 4-5 years at a lower hit. I like the idea of shipping off Ceci to sign Severson. I also love the Konecny deal. Not sure there needs to be two high picks in that trade, just the first or the second might do it. My last gripe is that I don't think its smart or possible for the Oilers to attach assets to move out Campbell. Lots of reasons for this: other free agents will notice, a tandem of him and Stuart is still relatively cheap at 7 mil, and goalies do have a history of going to a new place and struggling in year one. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Campbell has been good enough, but I think we give it some patience and see where this tandem can take us over the next few seasons while Stuart is on a good deal. Really like the Lavoie idea and the D looks really nice to me.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 29, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.
Thread: Whatcha think Bluesbros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>I said not a single word about expecting four 1st round picks or any such thing, so enough with the strawman. I said your offer was "overtly unappetizing offer for the Blues", which it so very much is. AND there are no rumors. None. Meanwhile, as you accuse me for some unknown reason of overvaluing Blues players, a guy who <strong>publicly </strong>questioned if he can hack it in the NHL gets the basically "like a third (1st round pick)" treatment.

Funny stuff, man.</div></div>

"Overtly unappetizing" would suggest you think two first round picks and a young project player isn't enough and that you expect the equivalent of three-four first round picks. Never said Jesse was worth a 1st. Infact, he's likely somewhere between a 2 and 3. Add Barrie and you have around the value of three first round picks. Never meant rumors to mean real rumblings. I said in this hypothetical situation and then said rumors meaning the CapFriendly community buzzing about dealing him over the last few weeks. So, like I have repeated, keep over valuing your players and having no fun looking at realistic trade offers.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 29, 2022 at 12:59 p.m.
Thread: Whatcha think Bluesbros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>In what world do you imagine the Blues "looking to move on" from Parayko? There's a lot more to unpack here, but let's just start simple.</div></div>

Just saying hypothetically. If they aren't looking to move him all these rumours are mute anyway. But if the blues are on the brink of a rebuild, first round picks and high-end prospects are exactly what teams want. But if you just want to start simple, the Oilers first round pick this year, their first round pick from last year, and a player that has a ton of raw skill but needs a new home are three appealing pieces. Gotta include Barrie to make the cap work from the Oilers side but he's also got value in being a hole filler for the blues and a future (easily) tradeable asset. Don't over value the blues players just because you're a fan. You aren't getting the equivalent of four first round picks for any player.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 23, 2022 at 3:05 a.m.
Thread: Whatcha think Bluesbros
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Do I really need to explain that this is an overtly unappetizing offer for the Blues. I keep telling people, you can't just pile up a bunch of stuff they don't want for a ornerstone player that is crazy difficult and expensive to replace. It's not a suitable teardown trade or a suitable trying to compete trade. It's half of both and not good enough for either.</div></div>

So you’re telling me a team looking to move on from a “corner stone” player wouldn’t be interested in a first round pick, a world juniors caliber prospect, and project player that for a retooling team might break out and help a quicker rebuild. It’s basically two first round picks and like a 3rd. look at the recent packages for players. Eichel didn’t return this much for the Sabres.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 22, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
Thread: Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>He's not saying he puts Jesse's value at a 2nd or 3rd, he's saying he puts Jesse at a 4th. It was rumored that Holland was asking for a 2nd for Jesse this offseason (at the draft, specifically), but couldn't get one. As he said, Jesse is an interesting candidate to take a flyer on, if he can be successfully rehabbed he could be a good 2nd line RW for the Ducks, I would wonder how well he would do on a line with McTavish and Bedard (should we get him)

The biggest stumbling block is the extra year of Barrie, and the Ducks really not wanting a player like him. we desperately need to overhaul our defense next season with defensively minded guys, and Barrie occupying a spot that we could put a big beastie is going to hurt our overall defense.

Now, if we keep Helleson in the AHL to start the year, let Barrie teach Drysdale and Zellweger how to score off the faceoff on a PP, and ship Barrie off next TDL with retention, its maybe not the end of the world. Maybe he can get Vaakainen working properly, or maybe we leave him working with Benoit, who seems to have worked well with Klingberg this season. There's a lot of variables, including a new coach to consider.

All that said, bumping the 2nd to the 23 1st probably gets the deal done.</div></div>

And I'm saying Jesse's value is atleast a 3rd. I think you're on the right track and were on the same page with Barrie. I think he does have value to the Ducks. Even with one more year on his deal the Ducks aren't looking to be Stanley Cup contenders right away next season and they likely lose Klingberg, Kulikov and Shattenkirk. Like you said, Barrie would be a great PP teacher for Zellweger and Drysdale for one year and they can move him. He is an asset and I agree that if there is a 1st in there it likely gets done. I'll change it up.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 22, 2022 at 2:28 p.m.
Thread: Post Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>With all the talk around poolparty being a non-tender candidate, the most I see the Ducks giving up is a 4th. The Oilers couldnt get a second at the draft and his value has surely gone down since then. I'm a fan of JP and have been since before the Oilers drafted him, I would take a flier on him but he doesnt have much current value.

Barrie doesnt have any value to the last place Ducks with 3 regulation wins. He is 100% a cap dump to us, he may have value to a contender but not to us.

"Flipping" assumes too much risk, if Barrie is that easy to trade Edmonton can do it and add his return into this trade.

And even if the Ducks were to take him to flip him he still wouldnt have any positive value in a trade to ANA, so they would still need to be compensated for taking him</div></div>

If you can flip a player for picks, he clearly has value... anyway, like I said, I don't think it takes much more than I have there to get the deal done. The guy is a pending UFA. Jesse being a non-tender candidate also means very little. I haven't read or seen anyone talk about it being a reason the Oilers havent moved Jesse. He knows hes not worth his tender offer right now and doesn't have a leg to stand on to hold out. Just sign the player before hand. Also, say you put his value at a 2nd or 3rd round pick, add a first instead of a second and a 1st, Jesse (3rd round pick value) and barrie with a 4th is enough to get the deal done in all likelihood.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 22, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 22, 2022 at 2:11 p.m.
Thread: Eller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pens3lieve</b></div><div>short answer is no.... i doubt it... but he doesn't have nearly the value he did when we acquired him and sent a B prospect and a 1st to acquire him...

for the first several games he's been invisible.....
last few weeks he is surprisingly just below a point-per-game...
but i suspect if he's moved it's just as the "salary player with minimal value" in a bigger move... he shows flashes for sure...
personally i'd give him another month or 10 games... if he disappears again then i'd look to move him but he has shown improvement lately...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pens3lieve</b></div><div>short answer is no.... i doubt it... but he doesn't have nearly the value he did when we acquired him and sent a B prospect and a 1st to acquire him...

for the first several games he's been invisible.....
last few weeks he is surprisingly just below a point-per-game...
but i suspect if he's moved it's just as the "salary player with minimal value" in a bigger move... he shows flashes for sure...
personally i'd give him another month or 10 games... if he disappears again then i'd look to move him but he has shown improvement lately...</div></div>

Thanks guys! I don't watch many pens games and thought a 3rd to dump that player who is relatively young and has shown those flashes might have been a bit much
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2022 at 4:48 p.m.
Thread: how far
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JackAce91</b></div><div>Maybe playoffs, out in first round. Aho is a good 1st line center, but I'm not certain he's taking anybody to a championship. He is inferior to most of the stanley-cup winning 1st line centers. Huberdeau is solid, but Batherson is not a 1st line winger right now. Maybe 2nd, maybe. Guentzel is great. Coyle isn't a 2c. That bottom 6 is fine, but I feel like it lacks some pedigree. That defense is a bit lackluster as well. Josi is solid offensively, but he only really excells when sheltered. That's not great for your star D.</div></div>

Did this guy just say that Josi, "only really excels when sheltered"... what?!?! Hes a top 3 defenceman in the league. Only thing I dislike about this D-core is, I have no idea who Janis Moser is...

This team overall it decent, but why did you spend 9mil less than cap? Genuinely curious? Was it to see if you could build a stud team with the least amount of money?
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
Thread: Day Before the Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>I wouldn't trade Zadina for JP but I just don't like JP so take it with a grain of salt.</div></div>

Haha fair. I'm not entirely sure where the value lies exactly, but the trade does make a little sense. If the Oilers have to add a little then I could see it happening. Zadina is another top pick that hasnt quite lived up to the hype he had as an elite one shot scorer. Jesse much of the same disappointment. Only two years of age separate the two. But your opinion of not liking JP is fair. Most of the Edmonton faithful would like to see Jesse stay because he is a fairly elite defensive forward if you dive into his possession numbers and expected goals, but I also understand the frustration behind his in ability to put points on the board playing with some of the best centerman you can have.