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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 9, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
Thread: Dubas better do something
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>Thanks! I'm as big of a homer and yinzer as there is, but feel like a lot of fans are over reacting and reaching on a lot of things with the team right now. I try and look at it with the best unbiased glasses I can.

Could do an entire 2nd post on how poorly JR left the team and how poorly Hextall added to it. Those things don't help future GMs (Dubas).

Also realized after writing this last night that despite the terrible PP, and the awful past week, the pens are 4 points out of 3rd place in the metro.... like what??

So to me, if they get healthy soon and most importantly figure out the PP (like right now) they could still figure something out.</div></div>

yeah for sure, the season is far from lost, and considering the pens have had many slow starts and been under .500 20-25 games into a season several times... i'm not overthinking it unless this continues into the new year with no improvement...
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 9, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
Thread: Part 3 Pens in 2 years with Sid extension
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Well, the 20 goals he put up last year, he's a pending RFA, the fact that he PP's, PK's, and has a cap hit lower than the league minimum are all great selling points. Getting him extended could be another good selling point if CHI can get it done before the TDL. I'd like to think CHI could pull a late 1st or a package of comparable value for him if they can find a suitor before the TDL. But he might need to pick up his offensive production a bit this season, if that is what KD is hoping to get for him. Otherwise, CHI might as well extend him and see if he can become a bigger part of the Hawks future.

But, yeah, I think he would be a great pickup for a lot of teams, including PIT, and I think his point production would look a lot better playing on a higher caliber roster.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Considering the relative weakness of the Pens prospect pool, I'd guess a pick would be needed. Say a 2nd.</div></div>

i saw a post that was Poulin (our 2021 1st round pick) + a 2nd round pick for Raddysh

somewhere in that vicinity i think is fair although the prospect might change depending on CHI's preference...

thanks for the feedback guys
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 9, 2023 at 9:11 a.m.
Thread: Dubas better do something
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>I'm not really sure what more Dubas can do. People can get mad about the summer but there were two options IMO.

1.Make the EK trade and bet that having him + Letang on the blueline can translate to more offense from a mediocre bottom 6
2. Don't acquire EK, keep Jeff Petry, Buyout Granlund, trade Rutta and DeSmith and use the extra cash to build out a better bottom 6 that can generate offense on it's own.

He sends Rutta/Petry/DeSmith packing for EK. (whom majority of fans wanted).

That's a great trade to move crap contracts out and get the former norris winner.

However, that also left the team with very little money to spend in an already bad UFA class. I'd say you can't be upset at the Jarry or Eller deals right now, Smith has been eh, but I still thought that was a good trade. Graves has been worse than I expected, but again, very poor UFA class, there was not many other top 4 pair LD on the market. After him it was Mikkola or Soucy.

So Dubas dealt with what he had in front of him.

Matt Duchene was never coming here, ROR was never coming here, Compher got overpaid in DET, and Max Domi is not a good center. It was slim pickins this summer.

Rust Rakell and Acciari being hurt right now doesn't help, but as you mentioned the biggest issue is the power play. If they have a league avg. powerplay they're probably sitting very close to a playoff spot in the metro.

5 of their last 7 loses are 1 point loses... because they can't score on the power play.

Reirden needs to go, and someone new needs to come in an run a totally different PP system. I sort of agree Sullivan doesn't need to go yet unless he has lost the room.

Pens are getting legit top 5 goaltending right now from both of their guys, and it's being wasted. They're giving the team plenty of opportunities and getting left out to dry. The last real shelling the pens took was vs NJD nearly a month ago. If you would've told me in August that the pens would get into early December with their goalies combined for the 3rd highest SV% and 5th least GAA I would've said that the pens would be leading the metro and probably top 5 in the league.

They're good on 5v5 and PK, they just blowwww on the PP.

I also think pens fans need to get a bit more realistic around a potential trade at this point of the season. Cap space is next to nothing at the moment. Only 4 teams have more than $3M in space. Most teams are going to look to hang tight until the deadline given most division races are tight at the moment.

There are very few players on the team that they can move. There are 13 NMC of some type, Crosby/Malkin/Letang are obviously off the bored. I don't think Jeff Carter is waiving to go anywhere (nor do I think a team he'd consider waiving for wants him). EK isn't going anywhere. Pens fans may want to fight this, but no teams are going to want to trade for Rust or Rakell. They are both good players, and Rust is having a solid year, but no GM is going to want to trade for a 31yr on year 2 of a 6 year contract (Rust) or a 30 year old on year 1 of a 5 year contract (Rakell). Plus rust has a full NMC and Rakell an NTC. If they were each a few years younger, absolutely could see someone trading, but over 30 I just don't see it. Would be one thing if they were franchise level players.

After that, you have Smith, season and a half left on his contract, 10 team NTC and the pens just got him this summer. Again, tough sell I think given cap hit.

Graves and Jarry no chance, fresh contracts.

The three main pieces to me that can be traded are Jake, Pettersson and Ned.

Now, I'm only doing this if they realize come february that playoffs aren't obtainable, but if that's the case they can probably get a 2024 1st + prospect for Jake and a 2024 1st (and maybe a prospect) for Pettersson. There are some teams that are playoff teams/fringe contenders that desperately need someone like Pettersson and it'd be nothing to retain $2M next year on Pettersson. Given Neds performance you could probably get a 3rd or 4th for him. Maybe you can get some low end picks for random guys like Shea, Z, Ruhewdel etc.

But if Dubas can get 2 1sts and some prospects, I'd take that. and if they finish bottom 10 they get the 2024 they sent to SJS and would have 3 picks this year in the first.

Stocks the cabinet up immediately, and helps the rebuild tremendously. They'd have money to spend next summer, maybe they try and go for it again without using assets.

You keep Sid and Tanger and G around to hopefully grandfather and mentor in the upcoming team and that's that.

(people saying to trade Letang and Malkin, 1. I think they want to stay as long as Crosby is around 2. I don't think Pens can get as much in a return for either player that they think)

That's my take on all of it.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.</div></div>

Well said.

I enjoyed reading that more than listening to a majority of penguins podcasts bc this was actually coherent logic and not a lot of fanboy speak mixed with illogical rants and babblings.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 8, 2023 at 2:08 p.m.
Thread: Full on Rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>Colorado might have some interest in Crosby if he waived. Not so sure about mercurial Malkin.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>I reckon he'd waive it to join MacKinnon in Colorado.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ht42</b></div><div>Crosby will gonna waive is NMC for only one single team : Montreal.

And everybody in the league knows that.</div></div>

Sid i think wants to finish his career in PIT if nothing else for personal sentimental reasons... that being said if there were ever a rift or schism between him and upper management i can see him taking his last season or 2 at age 40 and going to a MTL/COL type place or wherever his close friends are.....
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 8, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
Thread: Too Many Guys Who Do Not Move Needle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SharkTank</b></div><div>I'll take "Carter isn't waiving his NMC" for 500, ALEX.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McSorley</b></div><div>So you're swapping guys who don't "move the needle" for guys who don't "move the needle" for their current teams?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Detroit has forward depth and they like their defensive depth so they just keep Maatta.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>You can get Maatta for a pick but Detroit isn't taking either of those players.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>Rangers laugh in your face lmao</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsradynasty</b></div><div>TB doesn't have the cap space.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SJSF</b></div><div>Bruins decline</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoachCoach</b></div><div>Detroit loses one of their 7 defenseman

Detroit adds two press box/13th forwards.
Fabbri-Larkin-Raymond
Cat-Compher-Kane
Veleno-Copp-Sprong
Ras-Fish-Perron

Kostin-Carter-Acciari

Doesn’t move the needle</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Tampa Bay declines. They can't take on an additional $3m in cap hit. And the Hawks aren't waiving Beau after spending a 5th to get him.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>Boston says add a 1st then we will talk</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Why does Boston do this?</div></div>

this has got to be a troll post or just someone who knows absolutely nothing lol

none of this makes sense...

"Swap of 2 struggling stars - TBL could use a 2RW on Cirelli’s line" since when are Sheary and Rakell STARS??? this isn't NHL 24 bro where you can edit their OVR?!?!

none of these trades make even remote sense... no move clauses, no cap space, no logic... so confused... makes zero sense...

apologies to all fanbases that are offended by this lunacy... lol
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 7, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
Thread: Adding Risto And Tanev
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingExLeafs</b></div><div>That's all true. There are better and younger players, but are they available? Do the Leafs have the assets? And are they willing to pay it?

A young top 4 RD will require shipping out Knies and a 1st, and the Leafs don't want to do that. And they don't have other prospects and chips to trade with. So they'll have to add aging veterans and guys like Risto who are not as coveted around the league, making them cheaper to trade for.</div></div>

completely agree...
i will say if guys become available from requesting trades or stuff like that teams like the leafs you'd think would be all over it like Barrie/NSH (doubt they want to bring him back) or Broberg/EDM
idk what Tre is thinking...

pens fan here btw but live in TOR so i hear alot by default lol
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 7, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.