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Sicarius
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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 29, 2023 at 8:09 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2023 at 8:49 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 16, 2023 at 12:30 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drshnuckels91</b></div><div>Going about this I wanted to structure it similarly to the blackhawks rebuild when they moved on from a young piece like Debrincat who everyone thought would be a cornerstone of the rebuild. Thomas (or Kyrou) will bring by far the most value to the Blues. Thomas might not be too enthusiastic to spend his prime years in a rebuild, I mean lets say the average rebuild takes anywhere from 4-8 years depending on a teams lottery luck (A team like the Devils vs the Sabers). So lets say 6 years, by the time the rebuild is over he will be 30 with one year left on his deal. Most of his prime will be behind him spent on a team that was bottom 8 every year. If he was 20-22 the Blues could get away with it but he's 24. Not super appealing to a player about to enter their most competitive years.</div></div>

I understand your thought process but the comparisons between Chicago and the Blues are not equal.

Let’s pretend the Blues tank next season. They would have Buchnevich, Vrana, Kapanen, Faulk, and Parayko as possible trade pieces.

Buchnevich has another year left on his contract and would return a first round pick plus a really good prospect (most likely)

By tanking let’s also pretend they wind up with a top 5 pick. They would have a top 5 pick, plus the prospect and another first round pick from the Buchnevich trade, Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Dean, Bolduc, Neighbors, Stenberg, Lindstein, Alexandrov, Buchinger, Tucker, Loof, Hofer, and Zherenko.

Chicago had nowhere near this amount of prospects when they decided to trade DeBrincat.

Anyone, including Army, would add Thomas and Kyrou to their group of players, not trade them away.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 9, 2023 at 5:40 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>I used every fallacy? Wow, that's amazing that I fit so many into such little text.

Let's be clear, your question was simple but not polite. It's intent was to say how great he looks on the ice and that those "silly" advanced stats mean nothing. Let's also be clear that instead of countering my stats you instead decided to dodge that argument for another with little to no merit, "the eye test".

Now you've decided to become even more hostile. Extending words and bringing in obsurd notions of drug use.

So the stats aren't objective? So there isn't a calculation that can be done by outside parties to come to the same number and conclusion? You know, like all objective facts. Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it subjective.

How am I going to judge stats if I never watched a player? The same way I can speak to my local community about helping the homeless situation without ever having been homeless. Because I have the right to look at facts and think for myself.

But you don't want to talk about that, do you slick? You want to tell me how great a guy looks on the ice and how he is worth 15 1st round picks. That's great! Your opinion is certainly allowed and encouraged on a forum such as this. But your opinion is not represented by facts. Don't pretend that it is.

As for the only actual facts your brought to the table, Bush has more points per 60 than Guentzel. Let's look at 5v5 numbers.

Bush this year: 2.51
Bush last year; 2.46

Guentzel this year: 1.86
Guentzel last year: 2.48

So he had more points per 60 this year but not last year. I wonder why... oh yeah I know, he shot 20%. If you put him back into his normal shooting percentage than those points per 60 becomes 1.97

Hmm. So he has similar scoring numbers to Guentzel, similar defensive numbers to Guentzel. But he doesn't draw penalties, hit people, take the puck away, or play 75+ games per season. Sounds like Guentzel is better to me.

But, again, you don't want to talk about numbers or facts. You want to be right. Well be a King in your own head and leave me alone unless you have data.</div></div>



Stats are certainly useful but they have to be viewed with context also.

Plenty of Vegas fans are convinced Barbashev was somehow held back in St. Louis because of his production with Vegas, specifically in the playoffs.

Barby benefited from playing with Eichel. The truth is Barby is a nice complimentary player but he would never be the primary driver of the type of points he produced in the playoffs.

Buchnevich finished last year with a 1.08 ppg production. That’s good for 25th in the league. There’s 32 teams in the league. If you only want to look at stats the case could easily be made that Buch is a 1st line player.

The terms top line, top 6, middle 6, etc.. are certainly subjective. I wouldn’t have an issue with someone saying Buch is a top 6 player. He certainly would fill a need with Pittsburgh.

Anyway we slice it there’s no trade happening in real life. Unfortunately the Blues are not embracing a rebuild, at least for now. It’s still fun to come up with hypotheticals.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 6, 2023 at 10:40 p.m.