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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 27, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 10, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.
Thread: Talk about a bold move
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>100 point players were not uncommon in those days. Krush had 90 point season FFS.

Break it down.

3 1sts = 2 1sts Grizz.

That leaves Carson/Gelinas for Ullmak/Debrusk/Lysell/Dipietro.

Then factor in Krush and Martys value v Campbell/3rd. Campbell is one of worst cap dumps in hockey right now.

The cash, as someone else pointed out, was extremely valuable but impossible to calculate today.</div></div>

But according to this trade they don't end up keeping Campbell anyways, they dump him to San Jose. The cash is an incredibly important factor, which you compensate by upping the amount of 1sts/prospects.
DiPietro is garbage and has basically no value.
Grizz is not worth a 1st round pick, not only is he an expiring UFA and just not worth a first round pick, but it's been public knowledge for over a year now that Boston has been trying to dump him to clear cap space.
In 1987-1988, 12 players reached the 100 point mark. Last season, there were 11 who did the same thing. They are just as valuable today as they were back then. This package is just not equal in value at all, you're essentially trading role players and a great goalie for a top 5 player in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 10, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.
Thread: Talk about a bold move
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>The package is more than what Gretzky pulled and he came with 2 valuable long term assets in Krush and Marty. Not a long term cap dump that devalues the package and would cost significant assets to move.

Ully/Debrusk/1st/Lysell/Merkulov for Drai and Campbell with 50% retention would be much closer to realistic.

If there is no cap dump then Lysell/Merk would likely need to be replaced with Poitras.

BTW the 3 1sts that EDM got in the Gretzky deal were used on Jason Miller, Martin Rucinsky, and Nick Stajduhar. Which means the throw in mid level player Gelinas ended up being more valuable than 2 of the 1sts. 1sts generally don’t end up being as valuable as known assets. It’s hit or miss.</div></div>

Gretzky was traded for a 100 point player, multiple firsts, and $15 million (around $39 million today). This package isn't even close to that in value. DeBrusk is a ~50 point 2nd line winger who's a UFA after this season, Ullmark is a good goalie but only has a year left on his deal, Lysell is a former first round pick who's struggled in the minors and probably maxes out as a middle six winger, Merkulov is the same except he's three years older, and the first probably ends up being late in the first round. The value isn't even close to the Gretzky deal, even without the cash. Which one of these players is supposed to be Jimmy Carson?
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 8, 2023 at 8:18 a.m.
Thread: Big flames trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Yeah, I figured you guys didn't know much about Abruzzese who went the College route, hence why he's older, yet still Waivers Exempt

Not saying he's anything special or that I expect him to be an impact player, but he's certainly not worthless, a bust or can already be deemed not good enough for the NHL; it's too early to tell just yet and he's already played in the NHL right out of College, which is pretty impressive</div></div>

He played 9 and 2 games as an emergency callup, not because he was good enough to crack the roster. He left college 2 years ago now, and he's done nothing ever since. Hawks already have a similar guy in Cole Guttman, who they got for free as a college free agent, they don't need to spend a draft pick and take on a garbage contract for another one. Also, unlike Abruzzese, Guttman has dominated the AHL.