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Forum: NHL TradesMar. 8 at 1:50 p.m.
Thread: (PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>True. It also sounds like Dennis Maruk. And also thousands of guys we never heard of or don't remember. For every Guentzel, there's countless Braccos.</div></div>

I figured I'd put this here for context - <a href="https://www.pensburgh.com/2013/9/10/4713922/prospect-profile-15-jake-guentzel" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Summary of Guentzal after his draft year</a>

You're absolutely right though - there are more under sized prospects that don't pan out in comparison to those that become Jake Guentzal.

I just think it's important to take a breathe and acknowledge that every player develops differently and we won't really know what we have here for awhile.
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 8 at 11:19 a.m.
Thread: (PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>But did he though? Two guys who don't skate or compete that well by NHL standards, one of whom is 160 pounds and the other is 6 ft but rather skinny. There are literally a dozen better prospects in the Carolina pool. Put it together with a "chance at a 1st" and this is a complete Dubas failure. And if they do not get the 1st, it;s a shocking failure. For me, it would be instantly fire-able, especially after some of his other bad moves.</div></div>

A 19 y/o at a PPG in the NCAA is alright, maybe a peak of being a middle-6 winger?
20 y/o at a PPG in Liiga is good IMO, with his stature of 5'11 I assume he may fill out but who knows. Again I'd say peaks mid-6.

Jake wasn't re-signing in Pitt and some other teams in on him (EDM, COL, VGK) all seem to have backed out, plus the injury I'd say dropped the price a bit.
I don't think anyone was trading their top prospects for him (outside of EDM who may have moved Holloway).

All of it combined I wasn't really sure why people on this site were expecting him to get an A+ Prospect and a 1st and +++ as he seems to want to test FA.
Maybe if there was a chance at an extension in place it becomes more lopsided (and who knows, maybe later today Carolina will come out with an extension for him and really rub in the victory here) but all I'm saying right now is that this wasn't a landslide.

Dubas did fine, Waddell did better. B- and A+ I'd say?
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 7 at 11:43 p.m.
Thread: (PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
Wow. This is an absolute fleece job by Carolina. I like Koivunen a lot, Lucius is solid, and Ponomarev is alright, but this is Jake freakin' Guentzel we are talking about. Pittsburgh doesnt even get a 1st unless Carolina makes the SCF. Feels like Dubas could've done so much better, guys like Morrow or Blake or Nadeau would've been far more fair.

For Carolina, this is the superstar they have long wanted. Guentzel is one of the best wingers in this league, and they didnt even have to give up any of their best prospects to get him. Excellent addition and he will thrive in Carolina.

For Pittsburgh, I already mentioned I really like Koivunen and I think Bunting next to Crosby will be very fun, but man this is underwhelming. I doubt Ponomarev or Lucius become much more than bottom 6ers, and they arent really guys you want to kick off your rebuild. This is going to be a tough pill to shallow for Pens fans who rightfully expected much more for a guy who gave his all to the organization for years.

The real winners here are NHL fans who are thrilled Vegas didnt land Guentzel. Heres to hoping they strike out on Buchnevich as well!
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 6 at 4:42 p.m.
Thread: (COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tonir87</b></div><div>Yes and maybe after Colorado saw Malinski playing in NHL lvl, it made more easy to trade Byram? Ofc I seen Malinski just 23 game, but i like it him a lot. I been thinking for while, who could be that second C for Colorado and after i saw they traded Mittlestadt i think it can be perfect fit, if they can keep his salary to 5-6milj range.

I also agree on those worries that BUF just added one more LD, maybe they re-trade Byram or maybe he get use to play RD better in new system, but i agree its bit weird.

I voted fair deal.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PaddysPub</b></div><div>Yeah I think seeing how well Malinski played with us helped this deal. Also a few other factors. Girard has looked really good since coming back from the players assistance program. And him and byram just never fit together for whatever reason. And to a lesser extent, Gulyayev playing all season in the top 4 in the KHL as an 18 year old is really impressive. And so I think he was also considered in this.</div></div>

Yeah Malinski, Behrens and Gulyayev in the pipeline helps to look ahead, but even JJ and Caleb this year playing well really help make it easier to move on from Bo. Malinski is great for the team to have as depth since if Makar or Manson goes down we know he can jump into that role. We'll see if they extend Sean Walker or not if that sets him up for a roster spot next year on the NHL club.
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 6 at 3:58 p.m.
Thread: (COL/BUF) - Byram for Mittelstadt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tonir87</b></div><div>Yes and maybe after Colorado saw Malinski playing in NHL lvl, it made more easy to trade Byram? Ofc I seen Malinski just 23 game, but i like it him a lot. I been thinking for while, who could be that second C for Colorado and after i saw they traded Mittlestadt i think it can be perfect fit, if they can keep his salary to 5-6milj range.

I also agree on those worries that BUF just added one more LD, maybe they re-trade Byram or maybe he get use to play RD better in new system, but i agree its bit weird.

I voted fair deal.</div></div>

Yeah I think seeing how well Malinski played with us helped this deal. Also a few other factors. Girard has looked really good since coming back from the players assistance program. And him and byram just never fit together for whatever reason. And to a lesser extent, Gulyayev playing all season in the top 4 in the KHL as an 18 year old is really impressive. And so I think he was also considered in this.
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 6 at 12:35 p.m.
Thread: (OTT/FLA) - Tarasenko for 2024 4th (FLA), 2025 3rd (FLA)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>This is laughably bad for the Senators, they couldn't even pry a decent prospect out of Florida. I get that the trade protection on Tarasenkos deal allowed him to dictate where he went, but that doesn't change the fact that this trade is horrible. For crying out loud, Anthony Mantha cost the Knights more than this.

This is highway robbery for the Panthers who add another lethal offensive weapon to their already loaded forward group. At only 2.5m, he is going to be extremely valuable. If they want to buy more, they easily could (granted they don't have the money). This was a masterclass of a trade from Zito and a complete blunder by Staios</div></div>

You can lock the thread, this is all that needs to be said.
Forum: NHL TradesFeb. 24 at 2:12 a.m.
Thread: (PIT/CBJ) - Nylander, 2026 6th (PIT) for Bemström
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tonir87</b></div><div>Maybe they didnt had cap space then? I think he was waiwers in November? So his Cap hit would been higher for Pens (Mean almost 100% of 900 000dollar). Or do PIT still need to pay full cap hit (this year) or is cap hit divided on days? I am not fully sure about rule. Second what i think is, that now they roster size stay in 48/50. So if they would taken Bemström from waiwers, they would been able to add only 1 contract more in rest of the season. Now giving Nylander they still stay in 48/50. Contract management can be important in trade deadline if you are buyer. For draft pick, i think they had to pay it, because Bemström potential is bit higher and he can see NHL time in PIT and Nylander wasnt able to see NHL time in PIT.

Sorry if my english is bit hard to read, bit difficult topic to explain with my lvl of english.</div></div>

Could've been not having roster space at that time
Forum: NHL SigningsJan. 8 at 1:10 p.m.