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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 12, 2018 at 1:49 p.m.
Thread: Ottawa... STL.. How you guys doing?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pawnjohn</b></div><div>The blues trade makes sense value wise, but I don't think the blues could stomach it. Schwartz is a 55-60 points winger before we acquired Schenn and is looking like a 65-70 point player with him compared to ROR 60-65 center. Schwartz has an injury history that is a little worrisome (seems to always have a freak accident), he is one of the very few "drivers" we have on our team. Obviously ROR plays the harder position, but with the chemistry Schwartz &amp; Schenn had, they were both 70+ players, and Schenn didn't look nearly as good when Schwartz went down. While the blues are deep at LW now, it's because we have Schwartz anchoring the top slot. Without Schwartz, we have a declining Steen, who while still is a solid top-6 LW, is trending down; and we have a huge question mark in Fabbri coming off 2 ACL surgeries.

We have a bunch of LHS LWers in the system, but none project as sure fire top6 players, and none nearly at Schwartzy's level. Kostin could be a top6 option in the future and is LHS, but he is a still a question mark and plays more on RW.


While having ROR-Schenn down the middle would be a solid 1-2, I don't think significant drop in our LW depth would be worth it. If schenn turns into a 50-55 point center without schwartz instead of 70+ with, then it is going to look really bad, not to mention if Fabbri doesn't return as a top6 player or Steen's declines even faster.

Looking at things more deeply, I don't think there is a way the blues can trade for ROR without opening a huge hole somewhere else. It is likely going to take a deal like the above Schwartz+small add, Parayko, or Dunn ++, all of which either open a huge hole that we are not ready to fill (Schwartz/Parayko) or open a hole and deplete other important aspects (Dunn++). While he may never reach the level of ROR, we also have a promising Center prospect in Thomas who projects as a top6 center. The blues would probably be better off looking at a lesser 2C and see what they have in Thomas, instead of opening a huge hole for a 1C like ROR to play him at 2C.</div></div>

Steen+Thompson+WPG first for ROR. I'd consider that. But i'm not a fan of ROR.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 1, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.
Thread: ROR and Tavares
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>millsman5643</b></div><div>You really think Thomas is more ready than kyrou? Kyrou had helluva season and had his final year in the OHL. Kyrou to me seems more ready. But Thomas will have to go AHL or OHL which would be werid since he is probably too good for it. Idk I think only both make it if we are down a top 6 forward, there wont be space. Right Fabbri might not be ready, but preseason should help a lot and being on the third line will help him alot. Right if Fabbri is not ready in opening day then I think thomas and kyrou make it. if Fabbri is ready and we are lacking a top 6 forward than I see both making it.

Either way this is lacking a top 6 forward, because Steen should not be on first line. But realistically this may hapoen knkwing Armstrong. We defiently need two top 6 forwards added and you done that, to put us ahead than we were last year, but I think another top 6 forward will put us in really great position and really solid if we add 3 top 6 forwards this offseason. Other than that this looks great and will probably work.</div></div>


Kyrou’s year in the OHL didn’t do much for his overall development. Because of his age he couldn’t play in the AHL which would have helped his game be more NHL ready. Thomas is in the same boat next year. If he doesn’t make the roster he has to spend the entire year in the OHL.

Thomas will be on the roster and likely Kyrou as well. Tage Thompson most likely needs more time in the AHL.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 29, 2018 at 11:03 p.m.
Thread: Not Too Big, but big none the less. Trades with EDM/STL/CBJ/NYI/ARI/PHI/MTL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>arafay</b></div><div>Perrault is not overvalued because he could have had over 50 points this season. Maybe make the 3rd a 4th but the value is fine IMO.
As far chevy being allergic to trades goes, he is not. He just doesn't make bad/unnecessary trades like Bergefail and Chiarelli. He was right to make only 3 trades in his time because he was building this team. Look at his 3 trades so far, their genius. I think these trades are great for the jets and are all things chevy could pull off.</div></div>

Not to get hung up on one player but I'm going to argue your point that a 1st/4th is 'fair value' for Perrault. Look at the Kane deadline deal this year. A 1st/4th and fringe prospect for Kane. Yes, EK is a wing while Perrault can play C but you're in the minority if you think Perrault has more trade value. As for saying he 'could have' had 50 points this year... he didn't. Combine his playoff totals and you get 40 points in 79 GP. Kane, on the other hand, had 59 points in 87 GP. Not comparable to me.

Also, not saying Chevy never makes trades, but expecting him to become this prolific (7 distinct offseason trades) practically overnight is straight up ridiculous.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16, 2018 at 1:05 p.m.
Thread: Deals with MIN and STL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TML_GM</b></div><div>Good to know the value placed on Fabbri from the STL perspective, that isn't what I was thinking. For me, his injury problems lower his value. I would take him out of the deal entirely if required. But it sounds like you want to hold on to Parayko regardless. I had noticed a trend of STL fans trading him on the boards, so I assumed he might be up for grabs. Any other STL fans have opinions?</div></div>

I would say Fabbri for a first isn't out of the realm of possibility. However, I would think it would be conditional. If Fabbri plays so many games it's a first, otherwise it's a 2nd and 4th or something to that nature.

In terms of Parayko, don't see the Blues moving him to Toronto for anything short of Marner or Nylander. Parayko won't fully hit his prime until his age 28 season like most defensemen, but he's already an established top 4 presence with top 2 potential waiting to be unleashed. I would think if there's a move, it'd be something like Marner+Liljegren for Parayko+Thompson(Or Kyrou). Established player + prospect from each side
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16, 2018 at 12:46 p.m.
Thread: Deals with MIN and STL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TML_GM</b></div><div>Good to know the value placed on Fabbri from the STL perspective, that isn't what I was thinking. For me, his injury problems lower his value. I would take him out of the deal entirely if required. But it sounds like you want to hold on to Parayko regardless. I had noticed a trend of STL fans trading him on the boards, so I assumed he might be up for grabs. Any other STL fans have opinions?</div></div>

Fabbri's injuries suck for sure, but I'd prefer to give him a chance rather than sell low on him and get burned. He's only 22, an ACL repair for him (even tho the first surgery failed) is not as risky as it is on a dinosaur like Joe Thornton. And he is a guy with loads of talent who skipped the AHL to play for a playoff team as a teenager. I'd prefer we keep him unless the right offer jumps out. The way I see it, TOR's 1st will be late in the round so we'd be essentially getting our money back.

People on here got on this kick of trading Parayko because he didn't have an amazing year, but even those trade offers were usually based around Nylander. He wouldn't get moved in a package deal, it would have to be for a big name, and I just don't see STL interested in losing a core player on defense when all of our up-and-coming guys play forward.