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Babcock wins out over Matthews

Created by: GKings04
Initial Creation Date: May 7, 2018
Published: May 7, 2018 at 1:45
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Rumour has it Matthews doesn't like Babcock.....this will never happen but for humour sake....let's play along
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Aaltonen, Miro3$975,000
Carrick, Connor3$1,275,000
Gauthier, Frédérik3$975,000
Holl, Justin3$800,000
Johnsson, Andreas3$1,350,000
Nylander, William8$6,250,000
Pickard, Calvin3$900,000
Domi, Max3$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Smith, Ben2$900,000
Tavares, John7$11,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
  2. Dvorak, Christian
  3. Chychrun, Jakob
Additional Details:
rights to Max Domi
OEL signs 7 years @ $6.5 million
ARI
  1. Matthews, Auston
  2. Martin, Matt
  3. Rosén, Calle
2.
TOR
  1. Tanev, Christopher
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Gardiner, Jake
3.
TOR
  1. 2020 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Carrick, Connor
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
STL
TOR
TOR
TOR
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
VAN
TOR
EDM
TOR
TOR
TOR
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$80,000,000$75,960,000$2,550,000$1,487,500$4,040,000

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
Marleau, Patrick
$6,250,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Marner, Mitchell
$894,167
RW
UFA - 1
Domi, Max
$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
Nylander, William
$6,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas
$1,350,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Dvorak, Christian
$839,167
C, LW
UFA - 1
Kapanen, Kasperi
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
Leivo, Josh
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Grundström, Carl
$925,000
LW
RFA - 2
Aaltonen, Miro
$975,000
C, LW, RW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 4
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Tanev, Christopher
$4,450,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
McElhinney, Curtis
$850,000
G
UFA - 1
Chychrun, Jakob
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
Hainsey, Ron
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Marleau, P.
Tavares, J.
Nylander, W.
Rielly, M.
Marner, M.
Power Play 2
Dvorak, C.
Kadri, N.
Johnsson, A.
Ekman-Larsson, O.
Dermott, T.
Penalty Kill 1
Hyman, Z.
Kapanen, K.
Ekman-Larsson, O.
Tanev, C.
Penalty Kill 2
Johnsson, A.
Brown, C.
Chychrun, J.
Zaitsev, N.

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May 7, 2018 at 1:47
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Parayko, Kostin, Walman + 2018 1st and 2019 2nd
May 7, 2018 at 1:47
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shakes headshakes head

Don't the Leafs need a D man that can actually play D? How does OEL help you at all? And for Tanev, you would be adding to the deal to get rid of Gardiner, not the other way around.
May 7, 2018 at 1:51
#3
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Who wouldn't like Babcock? He is no Tortorella.
Torts has chased more than his fair share of players out of town(s) over the years.
Matt Calvert being the most recent.
May 7, 2018 at 1:53
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
Who wouldn't like Babcock? He is no Tortorella.
Torts has chased more than his fair share of players out of town(s) over the years.
Matt Calvert being the most recent.


IMO Babcock isn't actually an above average coach. Look at his W/L in the playoffs since he lost Lidstrom in DET.
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May 7, 2018 at 1:54
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Quoting: BluesBandit
Parayko, Kostin, Walman + 2018 1st and 2019 2nd


Parayko is out of the question, Bouwmeester, Berglund, Walman, 2018 First, 2019 Second, 2019 third. Jaskin
May 7, 2018 at 1:56
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Parayko is out of the question, Bouwmeester, Berglund, Walman, 2018 First, 2019 Second, 2019 third. Jaskin


For Matthews? Cmon, with lowball offers like that you're giving Blues fans a bad rep. You have to give to get.
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May 7, 2018 at 1:57
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
Who wouldn't like Babcock? He is no Tortorella.
Torts has chased more than his fair share of players out of town(s) over the years.
Matt Calvert being the most recent.


Aren't you guys short a William Karlsson due to wanting to hold onto Calvert?
May 7, 2018 at 1:59
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Quoting: BluesBandit
For Matthews? Cmon, with lowball offers like that you're giving Blues fans a bad rep. You have to give to get.


But not Parayko. okay then Walman top D prospect, Jaskin good third liner forward, Bouwmeester a good patch for now, Berglund replacing Matthews, First Round, Second Round, Third Round and another First Round. Unless you want Fabbri, or Steener
May 7, 2018 at 2:00
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
But not Parayko. okay then Walman top D prospect, Jaskin good third liner forward, Bouwmeester a good patch for now, Berglund replacing Matthews, First Round, Second Round, Third Round and another First Round. Unless you want Fabbri, or Steener


I would even add Ivan Barbashev, but I'm not selling shop for Auston Matthews.
May 7, 2018 at 2:04
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Quoting: Blynasty
Aren't you guys short a William Karlsson due to wanting to hold onto Calvert?


CBJ really messed that one up. They had Karlsson slated no where near the top line C position.
Actually I am fairly certain that even though CBJ offered & gave up a 1st round pick to VGK to NOT take Anderson, VGK had the leverage to request Karlsson over Calvert, as Karlsson was the "next best".
I would have preferred the CBJ somehow found a way to give them Johnson rather than Karlsson, since we were so shaky at the C position.
Even if that happened, Karlsson probably would have only scored 15-20 this past year with the Jackets, as he probably would have been 2C or 3C behind Dubois & Wennberg.
May 7, 2018 at 2:06
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I honestly think Lou Lamoriello would keep Auston Matthews rather than Babcock because your wasting a pick for a coach. You could find other coaches that would be good. Lou is not the type to waste players talents even if it is over a coach.
May 7, 2018 at 2:10
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
IMO Babcock isn't actually an above average coach. Look at his W/L in the playoffs since he lost Lidstrom in DET.


Not saying he is a good coach (all of his success was with a contending lineup in Detroit).
Just saying Babcock seems to be more of a player's coach than Tortorella.
Matthews is young, and talented. Sometimes these type players don't yet have the maturity to take the heat from the coach (yet alone the media and fans) when things do not go quite right.
Not sure that is the case here, but just curious what causes the friction between the coach and the future star.
May 7, 2018 at 2:18
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
Not saying he is a good coach (all of his success was with a contending lineup in Detroit).
Just saying Babcock seems to be more of a player's coach than Tortorella.
Matthews is young, and talented. Sometimes these type players don't yet have the maturity to take the heat from the coach (yet alone the media and fans) when things do not go quite right.
Not sure that is the case here, but just curious what causes the friction between the coach and the future star.


Well I think it is something where Matthews wants to play with good players. He ended the playoffs between Hyman and Brown. He wants Marner and Nylander type guys on his line and I don't blame him but then it isn't his call to make.
May 7, 2018 at 2:33
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
Not saying he is a good coach (all of his success was with a contending lineup in Detroit).
Just saying Babcock seems to be more of a player's coach than Tortorella.
Matthews is young, and talented. Sometimes these type players don't yet have the maturity to take the heat from the coach (yet alone the media and fans) when things do not go quite right.
Not sure that is the case here, but just curious what causes the friction between the coach and the future star.


I'll start with the trade...No way the the Leafs want to burdened with OEL on an extension,

Now the Matthews/Babcock. friction. I think it's real. Game 7 illustrated it, Matthews just got 4 minutes in the second period. On the tying goal, it was 4 on 4. Bozak in the box, and Babcock did not have a centre on the ice for the defensive zone face off. Lost draw, goal 4 second. later. C'mon that was stupid coaching. Babcock seems so concerned about player match ups that players are more concerned racing to the bench to change than actually playing.
Matthews all season has not received that much PP time. So the Matthews conflict, isn't just Matthews, it's the coach who can't manage the bench during the game. The Leafs pretty well have a balance three lines during the season, I don't that's the issue. It's Babcock poor and at times real poor decision making on who on the ice.
Come summer 2019 when Matthews is eligible for an long term extension, he just might say "NO." and want his UFA freedom sooner than later. My opinion,,,Babcock will gone sooner than later....for bad coaching, not player conflict.
May 7, 2018 at 2:39
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
But not Parayko. okay then Walman top D prospect, Jaskin good third liner forward, Bouwmeester a good patch for now, Berglund replacing Matthews, First Round, Second Round, Third Round and another First Round. Unless you want Fabbri, or Steener


Dude. What? You really think sending a bunch of trash and 4 picks will get you a franchise caliber top line centerman? Yeah Walman may be the Blues top D prospect, but he is not a “top D prospect” across the league. I’m not even going to begin to talk about “Berglund replacing Matthews”. Woof. I agree with @BluesBandit If losing Parayko + were to get us Matthews. Done.
May 7, 2018 at 3:04
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This is ridiculous!

Huge underpayment!!!

Never happen.

Oel is getting at least 7x7. More likely 8x8. smile
May 7, 2018 at 3:59
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Quoting: ab33champ
Dude. What? You really think sending a bunch of trash and 4 picks will get you a franchise caliber top line centerman? Yeah Walman may be the Blues top D prospect, but he is not a “top D prospect” across the league. I’m not even going to begin to talk about “Berglund replacing Matthews”. Woof. I agree with @BluesBandit If losing Parayko + were to get us Matthews. Done.


Okay let's say the Blues trade Parayko for Matthews. yea you gain a Center, but you just f-u-c-k-e-d up your Defense. Bouwmeester is easily a top 4 defenseman. Berglund is a top 9 forward. Walman top 4 potential prospect. Ivan Barbashev a top 6 potential. Sobotka top 9 right now. Steener maybe he can be a top 3 guy at center. 4 picks. Jaskin top 9 forward speed. 3 to 4 picks. I would even add bortuzzo, or Gunnarsson, or Edmundson. That is not a lowball. Your not giving credit for what berglund can do also it wouldn't be Berglund on the first line anyway. Nazem Kadri would easily have his first line back.
May 7, 2018 at 4:01
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Quoting: ab33champ
Dude. What? You really think sending a bunch of trash and 4 picks will get you a franchise caliber top line centerman? Yeah Walman may be the Blues top D prospect, but he is not a “top D prospect” across the league. I’m not even going to begin to talk about “Berglund replacing Matthews”. Woof. I agree with @BluesBandit If losing Parayko + were to get us Matthews. Done.


But again like I said before the GM would fire the coach before giving up his future franchise player. Y'all need to rethink. I would rather have Auston Matthews than keep Babcock.
May 7, 2018 at 4:07
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Its not even worth contemplating though because no coach would ever paint himself into corner against the franchise centerman superstar. Even if he comes out on top, he loses.
May 7, 2018 at 4:56
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Okay let's say the Blues trade Parayko for Matthews. yea you gain a Center, but you just f-u-c-k-e-d up your Defense. Bouwmeester is easily a top 4 defenseman. Berglund is a top 9 forward. Walman top 4 potential prospect. Ivan Barbashev a top 6 potential. Sobotka top 9 right now. Steener maybe he can be a top 3 guy at center. 4 picks. Jaskin top 9 forward speed. 3 to 4 picks. I would even add bortuzzo, or Gunnarsson, or Edmundson. That is not a lowball. Your not giving credit for what berglund can do also it wouldn't be Berglund on the first line anyway. Nazem Kadri would easily have his first line back.


I’m just gonna agree to disagree here. I can only hope our guys play half as good as you value them next year.
May 8, 2018 at 12:59
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Quoting: palhal
I'll start with the trade...No way the the Leafs want to burdened with OEL on an extension,

Now the Matthews/Babcock. friction. I think it's real. Game 7 illustrated it, Matthews just got 4 minutes in the second period. On the tying goal, it was 4 on 4. Bozak in the box, and Babcock did not have a centre on the ice for the defensive zone face off. Lost draw, goal 4 second. later. C'mon that was stupid coaching. Babcock seems so concerned about player match ups that players are more concerned racing to the bench to change than actually playing.
Matthews all season has not received that much PP time. So the Matthews conflict, isn't just Matthews, it's the coach who can't manage the bench during the game. The Leafs pretty well have a balance three lines during the season, I don't that's the issue. It's Babcock poor and at times real poor decision making on who on the ice.
Come summer 2019 when Matthews is eligible for an long term extension, he just might say "NO." and want his UFA freedom sooner than later. My opinion,,,Babcock will gone sooner than later....for bad coaching, not player conflict.


I appreciate the insight. It should be very interesting to see how it plays out over the summer into next year, and the chemistry within the locker room if it is not addressed.
CBJ went through similar situation with Johanssen a few years ago before flipping 1 for 1 for Jones. Problem solved, but usually it is not so simple a solution.
 
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