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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 20, 2018 at 10:12 a.m.
Thread: Our Cup Runneth Over
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>

If Nylander signs a long term contract, it will be on the basis of Nylander will get better....always an iffy projection. Of course if Nylander thinks his is going to be getting better and therefore be more "valuable", shouldn't Nylander shun a long term deal and take a shorter term, less money bridge? IMO Nylander wants a bridge, while the Leafs would prefer a long term deal. To me it's a bridge that is signed.

Borgman. Agree with. you. IMO Borgman is going to be a very competent NHL Dman. He has play minutes this year. I'd prefer he played with the Leafs as more AHL isn't going to develop him that much more at his age and with this years of pro experience. Even if it means moving Dermot to ride side and having the LHD. Reilly, Gardiner and Borgman.</div></div>

I know that what is reported really means nothing but there are quotes with Willie saying he wants to stay in Toronto long term. I for one believe it. Think of how exciting it is for these kids right now. They own the city. If they win, contract value means nothing, they will have people in T.O. throwing money at them for life and they know it! Look at Clark and Gilmour, still legends and never won. IMO He sign's at fair value 8 years.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 15, 2018 at 8:48 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2018 at 6:41 p.m.
Thread: Leafs Cheap RHD Trade (PHI)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>phillyjabroni</b></div><div>You seem to have a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of how these underlying metrics function. Your saying that "traditional evaluation" is better than this model that goes against conventional wisdom, but you don't really provide any substance to support it. You affirm "facts are facts," but when I provided metrics that supported the claim that Gudas did better than Polak last year, you said the exact opposite.

I would like for you to elaborate on your stance on the comparable and how there is a correlation with the devaluation of advanced metrics, seeing as how it is made up of mostly standard stats with some advanced ones (iHDCF/60, etc.). You don't really seem to demonstrate an understanding of what is actually makes up the comparison.

Again, I'd like for you to elaborate on your stance with "traditional evaluation" is an absolute over "advanced evaluation". And you very frankly said that Gudas was just a more expensive Polak - no implication of need or incentives with that statement.</div></div>

How do you think they chose player before "advanced" metrics? Traditional methods. Individual attributes, attitude, decision making ability, chemistry. A lot of immeasurable's. As soon as you compare DeHaan to Gudas your points become garbage.

So when you provide your advance metrics to "prove" that gudas is better and I reply with different stats proving they are no different. The stats that i present(which are Goals, assists, +/-) are not relevant? didn't you say advanced metrics are made up of standard stats but at the same time reject standard stats?

How about <strong><em>more</em></strong> watching the games and <strong><em>less</em></strong> reading about them and maybe you will understand. one day.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2018 at 6:02 p.m.
Thread: Leafs Cheap RHD Trade (PHI)
ok, so lots of good points and some I will never, and I'm not alone, agree with.

First, these metrics some love to reference are only good in addition to traditional evaluation. Not as the core decision making factor. Since phillyja's reply only stating these metrics then its not wrong to assume this. Based on previous years of watching both players and based on traditional stats, Polak, to the leafs, has just as much value as gudas to philly. Yes Gudas is a better player, i can admit that. But at 3.3mil would he add that much more value to torontos line up. no chance!

As for advanced metrics, sure they can be valuable, but they can't be relied on. All the stats you state, with sanhiem, with carrick etc. These are variables. Theses stats are based on way to many variables to be completely relied upon and will change team to team. No stat can say some one like gudas will succeed on the leafs. Who's in net? whos gudas passing to? who's coaching him on what to do. So, no I don't believe these metrics are so valuable they should be the base of an argument, respect can only be lost if you ignore traditional evaluations. When you compare Gudas to DeHaan you also devalue advance metrics, its just ridiculous. Any GM valuing them the same would not have a job long.

Facts are facts, Polak is not as good as Gudas but he performed better than Gudas last year for the leafs than Gudas did for Philly, granted Polaks on a better team. Also, the leafs don't need Gudas, or Polak. Their propects and style of play prove this. Thats what i was implying with my first comment, if we need a player like gudas, we may as well stick with polak and keep the cap room.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2018 at 12:37 p.m.
Thread: Our D is Fine
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bishopsdad</b></div><div>I want to make a crack about Gardiner setting a record in elimination games, but I won't.

I think if you had - and maybe you do and I missed it - someone to give Hainsey a chance to ease his minutes and rest for the playoffs - and maybe think for Gardiner - you'd be set. I also don't think you have a hell of a lot of room to take on blue line contracts (unless they're one year expiring deals) because you have to keep that cap room for next year's extensions.

Who's gonna replace Hainsey after this year, anyway? NZ ready for top pairing minutes?</div></div>

I don't think the Gardiner cracks will end until he moves on or makes up for it. lol

As with any team, we would hope one of our young guys make the lineup and the guys currently in the lineup can eat up more minutes. if not then we need to fill the spot with a vet on a short term deal. There are a lot of thirty something guys looking for a spot next year and for those that want a good chance at a cup, we are in a good position to sign one for a bargain.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2018 at 12:09 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2018 at 2:20 p.m.
Thread: buds1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>The only issue I have with this is the Nylander Contract. If TO offers him something like that he's going to get insulted and sign an offer sheet for what the market number should be. Nylander is getting at a minimum 7 years at 6.5 million. I think they should go get an extra year of term and sign him for the cheapest 8 year deal they can get. It provides long term cost certainty and if he improves slightly on what he's accomplished so far, he'll be a bargain at that price point. Something like just under 7 million for 8 years would be right.</div></div>

I don't disagree but I believe there is a chance Willy is worth well more than 6-7per, he just hasn't proven it yet. So i figured he'd go for his value now, to get to free agency then he could cash in. Leafs could use the money that is coming off the books for marleau or trade willy before it gets to that depending on need. The other side is that i'm not convinced he will prove himself to be an elite player either, this contract also avoids having a bad contract on the books long term when the leafs are true contenders.