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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23, 2021 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread: Tank Machine
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OrganizedConfusion55</b></div><div>That's a horrible trade for Eichel.

This draft is so weak. 1st overall and a bunch of seconds would be a worse return than what we got for O'Reilly, and that is saying something.</div></div>

I think you're being facetious? Do you really think 1st overall and 3 2nds is worse than a low 1st, a 2nd, Tage and 2 cap dumps? If Ryan Johnson or Tage Thompson have a better career than Owen Power, I guess so. The cap dumps from STL were prohibitive in making the roster better.

*If* Sabres and Eichel have an irreparable relationship, they may want to move him before the season starts. And yes, the problem with that is, his health status is kinda up in the air.

The other assumption I'm making is LAK have more interested in Owen Power than Jack Eichel.

I don't know a comparable for an injured superstar being traded in hockey. Waiting until the season starts and Eichel plays healthy, at an elite level, is fine. Again, is the relationship irreparable? I kinda think it is.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.
Thread: Tank Machine Revisited
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>Fans did not bother going to games this season even when they were allowed to. Even after Krueger was fired and the team started playing better, nobody wanted to pay to watch the team lose. If you trade away Jack Eichel and Sam Reinhart and get mostly players who won’t be here for 2-3 years nobody is paying their hard earned money to watch this team lose. Be prepared to see less than 10,000 people in the arena most nights, and that will include fans of the opposing team. That’s not something the Pegula‘s will be willing to put up with. The prevailing wisdom is they got lucky finding the right management group for the Bills. They’ve been systematically destroying the Sabres for 10 years and at this point have nothing to show for it. No, I don’t have faith they will turn it around until they stop trying to make all the hockey decisions.</div></div>

I do think that attendance will probably be awful next season. I'm assuming that the Pegulas will want to push out the 3 obvious malcontents (Eichel/Reinhart/Risto). Taking on cap in a lost season to maximize asset return makes sense, but the Pegulas may want to just do the cap floor thing. If the issue is the Pegulas and their incompetence, this is all moot. But the Bills did in fact turn around, so to say that the Sabres can't turn around doesn't necessarily follow.

Adding Horvat/Miller, Fiala/Dumba, not sure if that helps attendance either.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23, 2021 at 11:29 a.m.
Thread: Tank Machine Revisited
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>If there are more than eight pieces in a trade, it doesn't happen in the NHL. Not sure why, but can't think of a counterexample yet this century. Don't think there's been a seven piece trade in the last two calendar years? Only one or two with six pieces. Hundreds with two or three.

If you want to take on three cap dumps and get three first picks, you have to call three different teams. Not getting that done with Vancouver. Ever. They need RD. Could offer Ristolainen for Eriksson and a high 1st. Could get a high 2nd for taking a year of Roussel.

Buffalo fans already ask for too many high value pieces for Eichel. Throwing in the 1st overall pick with Eichel and expecting LA to trade another five pieces for that? You ask any team to give up half of its expected future lineup for one piece and they block your number. Whether or not the value is there, this is not how hockey works.

Don't think Seattle will end up short on depth at LHD enough to consider taking Pilut. Lots of good players available there. They might claim Ristolainen at full price if he's exposed, but he won't be.</div></div>

Did ask for too much in the trades, maybe still am.

There are more RHD available in this year's free agent market than LHD. And the Canucks could probably pluck RHD from the Kraken. I'm not saying Cody Ceci is the answer, but as tight to the cap as the Canucks are, what else can $2million get you. What to do with Horvat/Miller and having to re-sign Boeser are issues. I kinda think that Benning/management wants to make the playoffs next year, and want to sign Pettersson and Hughes to long-term deals and not bridge deals. I get thinking that it's best to ride out, or buy-out, the contracts, but that seems to be a great way to miss the playoffs next year. Yes, I'm assuming Benning is thinking differently from the fans.

RE: Canucks, if you can dump the contracts, you can max the cap and have something like

Pearson-Reinhart-Miller
Motte-Pettersson-Boeser
Hoglander-Horvat-Virtanen
Highmore-Gaudreau(UFA)-MacEwen/Hawryluk/Bailey

Hughes-Myers
Schmidt-Ceci
Juolevi-Hamonic
UFA D to push the 3rd pairing

Demko
a good backup UFA

That's assuming Seattle takes Holtby without retention. And assuming they sign Pettersson and Hughes to long-term deals (5 to 8 years). Bridging those two only kicks the cap issues down the road. But yes, bridge deals for Pettersson and Hughes, and the cap is probably manageable.

I guess if I was a Canucks fan, I'd try to move Miller and Pearson for picks, lock up Pettersson/Hughes, ride out the bad contracts, and yes, get a couple of young defensemen (basically tank this year, but hope for a quick rebuild and be good for 22/23. I just think Benning will try to build a playoff team this offseason.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
Thread: Tank Machine Revisited
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>If Seattle is taking Risto The Sabres cannot retain any of his money. Not even if they wanted to. Throwing away your best assets all for future lottery tickets is a great way to ensure zero fans buy any tickets for the next two or three years. Since all the Pegulas care about is money I have my doubts they would be willing to do this. I also see no reason to give the kings our first rounder this year. Just take the best player in this draft knowing he will be here in two years.</div></div>

I disagree with zero fans. We went to Bills games post-Ferguson and the strike year, Matheson/Bullough. No it wasn't a full stadium. Two year turn-around...Peguals did it with the Bills. Do you think that they don't think that it could happen with the Sabres?

Yes future lottery tickets. Idea is Sabres won't draft worst than 3rd (maybe 4th/5th) next year.

Seattle trades a 2nd for Risto retention. I don't think he has much value. Would rather keep Borgen.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22, 2021 at 2:03 a.m.
Thread: Tank Machine
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>It’s pretty clear the Pegulas only care about money. Blatantly making it obvious that you have no intention of winning any hockey games isn’t going to get anyone to pay the watch this team. They have no desire to lose $20 million a season because they can only get 300 people to show up to games. And those 300 people are fans of the opposing team. Even if they understood what planning was, there’s no way they would sign up for a plan that sees them embarrassing the city for 3 more years.</div></div>

I think that they think the Sabres can turn around like the Bills turned around.

I've seen some awful Sabres teams in my lifetime (and some awful Bills team). The Teddy Nolan teams were always fun to watch. Add someone like Shane Wright or Connor Bedard and the fans will come back.