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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 3:18 p.m.

Thread: GRIT GRIT GRIT GRIT WINS IN THE PLAYOFFS

I’d do that deal from a canes perspective

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.

Thread: Interesting possibility

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>5.7M AAV & 3.2M cash for a player that filled a need playing 18+ mins a night. What you’re asking is 5M AAV, a retention slot for 2 years, and 3.75M cash for someone who isn’t going to contribute to Detroit. For reference look up how much Marleau’s dead space cost Toronto or compare the Staal deal to what you’re proposing.</div></div>

Yes i understand that, but the marleau deal the cap hit had to all be absorbed by a team in one season which raises the price significantly. The 2.5 for 2 seasons has no effect on detroit's cap as they wont be near the limit in the 2 years. If it doesnt work because detroit will only take a first so be it, but i maintain that is to rich on an ask

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 10:35 a.m.

Thread: Interesting possibility

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yztnuK</b></div><div>something i would consider, but i know based on numerous reports/suggestions, Ownership wont</div></div>

The way i looked at it was you paid a 3rd last year and you got 1 year of the player + a 2nd to take a small cap hit for the next 4 years

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 10:33 a.m.

Thread: Interesting possibility

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy12Bob</b></div><div>We got a player we needed too in that Staal deal. And the $$ was only 3.2 million.

Detroit will decline for anything less than a 1st.</div></div>

I think a 1st is just way too steep of an ask. Maybe i would add a B prospect to the deal or something. If the cost is a 1st it just doesnt make sense for the canes, it is way to big of a risk for the canes

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 10:26 a.m.

Thread: Interesting possibility

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>That’s not 2.5M I’m retention. It’s 5M in retention since it’s 2 years plus the contract is backloaded so you’d be looking at a first round pick to facilitate that from a third party.</div></div>

The price for detroit to take a total of 5 mil cap hit from mark staal last year was a 2nd. The cap hit for tarasenko is spread across 2 years so i think a 2nd is fair in this instance

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.

Thread: Interesting possibility

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Can't see Vancouver retaining that much.</div></div>

Probably true and its not super necessary. I would drop the retention to 500k

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 10:24 a.m.

Thread: Interesting possibility

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yztnuK</b></div><div>From a Vancouver perspective - Ownership will not retain salary on multi-year deals.
What would the trade look like if.....and/or,
1. No retained salary
2. Bean is included
3. UFA rights to Hakanpaa</div></div>

What if the retention was dropped to 500k and the 4th was upgraded to a 3rd

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2021 at 9:52 a.m.

Thread: Landeskog

Nino isnt a cap dump and you dont even need to move him. Martinook isnt coming back, replace him with an elc (drury). Foegele will also be traded so that opens up even more cap. With that space you can fit nino.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2021 at 3:00 p.m.

Thread: Hall

Trades all look decent value wise. Don’t understand the Howden move, would rather give geekie or drury the spot

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2021 at 9:55 a.m.

Thread: Tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>I really do like Dunn tho and think he’d be a great fit. I’m pretty high on Bean but if we made this deal I’d be fine with risking losing him if Francis doesn’t want to deal with canes in getting a sweetener to not pick him.</div></div>

The other option would be to do a deal with tarasenko 2 mil retained, and go after Martinez as a UFA. I am a big fan of dunn as well, so i do think he would be a great addition

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2021 at 9:50 a.m.

Thread: Tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Problem with that is STL very likely moves Dunn prior to ED otherwise he’ll probably be the one taken. Guess you could deal with Seattle if that’s the case but in general I’m weary of dealing with Seattle if I’m the canes. I know Francis isn’t in the business of helping any teams but I’d imagine he’ll take a harder line with us versus any other team</div></div>

Yeah that is probably the case. Maybe the best bet is to just leave dunn out of the trade and just sign a UFA to play LD on the 2nd pair. Im actually going to edit the team tell me what you think

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2021 at 9:45 a.m.

Thread: Tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Not sure I see the value in add Tarasenko and his salary and adding another somewhat expensive piece to a stacked blue line while giving up assets and taking up cap space.</div></div>

The Blue line isnt really stacked anymore. Dunn would be a direct replacement for Skjei

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 10, 2021 at 9:43 a.m.

Thread: Tarasenko

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Probably have to incentivize Francis to take Skjei over Bean. Would imagine if both are available he’d go with Bean and I could see him not making any deals with Carolina bc of how things ended, similar to McPhee and the caps.

If that happens I guess trade Skjei for assets and find a cheaper replacement, may also not be able to resign mcginn so you can use that cap space.

All in all I like the look of this team and think it’s a pretty realistic offseason.</div></div>

I was doing the the STL trade with the assumption it was after the expansion draft, thus skjei is the only one left exposed. If its before then, i would give Seattle a pick to take skjei

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 9, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.

Thread: Canes Should Go For It

I do not like the trochek trade. The canes spent years looking for a 2C and they finally found one. If they were going to trade him it would need to be a much bigger return than a middle 6 winger and a mid round pick. The Tarasenko deal is tough because the canes are taking on so much cap, i know they get rid of gardiner but Tarasenko at full cap and 1/2 retained nino is alot of money. I dont hate the idea of getting tarasenko but my offer would exceed foegele and a 1st. Martinook is not getting 3.5 and he isnt going to get anything from the canes.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 9, 2021 at 8:58 a.m.

Thread: Canes 21-22

That’s more than i would be willing to give up for gourde. Tampa has no leverage they have to move out a ton of money. I’d do it if you removed the first probably

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2021 at 9:33 p.m.

Thread: Wishful Thinking

Honestly I think you have just done too much and as a result the contracts are all to cheap. Getting all 3 of debrusk, Coleman, and Hyman is unnecessary. I’d say go 1 of the 3 and then fill in with a contract like McGinn at 2.5ish and maybe drury. Push some of that money towards Martinez and the goalies

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2021 at 8:11 p.m.

Thread: Tonights sativa ideas

Gotta think the canes accept. Get good assets back and open up 10 mil in cap

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2021 at 6:08 p.m.

Thread: How do people feel about these Bertuzzi trades - Central div

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>skjei is the better defenseman now for a team in win now mode, bean has some upside but i dont think has lived up to expectations yet, every where i look people have it going both ways</div></div>

Yeah bean was very good at the start of the season and then he faded as the season went on. No question skjei is better now but exposing him could also open over 5 mil on cap space. Either way, the canes d core will look much different next year assuming Hamilton leaves

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2021 at 6:03 p.m.

Thread: mixing it up

Canes giving up way too much in both deals. Canes don’t need Kessel, he wouldn’t fit in at all. Now a garland trade would be interesting

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2021 at 6:02 p.m.

Thread: How do people feel about these Bertuzzi trades - Central div

Don’t think the offer to the canes is unreasonable. I could see them doing it instead of exposing bean in the expansion draft. I however think they will expose skjei

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.

Thread: Jackets Running It BackRebuild

I’d do that trade from a canes perspective

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2021 at 10:21 p.m.

Thread: Pens trade Carolina Dallas Leafs

that is a horrific deal for the canes

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2021 at 8:34 p.m.

Thread: Garland

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Storm3456</b></div><div>Excuse me for being blind lol, my mistake.</div></div>

All good. I was basically just doing that to show the canes would have plenty of cap for another top RD. it would more than likely have to be another trade since the UFA market is weak at RD after dougie

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2021 at 8:28 p.m.

Thread: Garland

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Storm3456</b></div><div>Hate to break it to you but Tyson Barrie is not that good, at all. I would never trust him with top line minutes. Hes more of a 3rd pair guy who can command a powerplay, his defense is stupidly bad.</div></div>

Agreed... look at the explanation i put in, i was using him as a salary place holder

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2021 at 5:37 p.m.

Thread: What is Tatar going to get

I think a 1-2 year deal around 4 mil aav makes sense for a team and the player. If I was Tatar I’d be looking for a team who needs some added scoring depth in the middle 6. He could have a good year or 2 and get one final contract

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