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Forum: Armchair-GM8 minutes ago
Thread: Bigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bast</b></div><div>Personally, I really don't like quantity over quality trades like this one. I would prefer the Flames to get one quality piece back for Sharangovich instead.

I can see your logic and I break it down as follows:
IMO, Dvorak is $2M overpaid, Vladar $1M. Taking on $1M x 1 is worth between a 3rd and a 4th.

I don't see Harris adding much value, simply because the Flames have a lot of bodies for the 3rd pairing.

It comes down to Sharangovich + 4th for 1st + Beck + 3rd. I haven't watched Beck play, so I have a hard time gauging his value, but it seems like he's worth more than a 2nd, so the value is about right.

So yeah, I'd like more, but I won't be too upset if this was the return.</div></div>

Can understand your point but if your expectation are probably a little to much considering the return that Lindholm got back. Here you get the best prospect in Beck. You get a established young defenseman in Harris, something you didn’t have in a Lindholm trade and you get a first round pick along with a third round pick with no condition. Beck is clearly the main piece here. Not sure what you can really expect more for Sharangovich.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
Thread: Bigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Stop pretending Dvorak is anything but a cap dump. He might be worth something with 50% retention but don't expect another to do that for you.</div></div>

And another cap dumper !! Lets me guess, 75 % of the league are cap dump. Can’t you read a statement?
Dvorak is money going the other way. There a thing call Salary cap and lets me explain this in a simple way. Calgary received a first round pick, a solid prospect in Beck, a young established defenseman and a third round pick with the Dvorak money goiing the other way like it’s always the case in majority of the trade. Also cap dump are made by team that need absolutely to shed some salary to get under the cap. In this case it’s not the case. Monahan was a cap dump because Calgary needed the space to sign Kadri. Same for Marleau with the leafs a couple
Year prior. But i am not surprise that this simple principal is to hard to understand for many people here.
Dvorak isn’t Gretzky but he is still a valuable
NHL caliber players. Yes he make to much money but by no mean he is a cap dump. Gm are not stupid, they understand that there a maximum of contract that can be and also that they need players to full fill certain role. Calgary just lost 3 centerman in one season, Dvorak could very well be a season replacement option. But you didn’t think about that one minute. It’s easier to complain about the cap dump than use your brain to analyze the trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 9:21 p.m.
Thread: Move back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I will be shocked, outraged and disappointed if Anaheim picks second or third and doesn't select Levshunov.

Demidov is at least a putative RW (although he's left-handed) but Lindstrom is duplicative of Zegras, Carlsson, Gauthier and McTavish. If we get screwed a third time by the lottery process, I'd rather we choose Helenius, Parekh, Yakemchuk or even Buium (who I understand plays well on his off side) than Lindstrom.</div></div>

I am not that high on Lindstrom either, but historically when a prospect have is size and talent they usually get pick early. San jose, Chicago, Anaheim, Columbus and Mtl could all use size up front. I would be shocked at all if he was selected early in this draft. Now the question is, would i selected him top 5? No i wouldn’t. I think that Parehk, Bium, Levshunov and Dickinson would all be better pick. I would also pick Greentree and Iginla before Lindstrom. But that just me i know that Lindstrom is a sexy pick so i’ll go early
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:52 p.m.
Thread: 2024
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Zegras underperformed due to injury, he had osteitis pubis since the pre season, the same injury that kept Logan Voulture out basically all year. It got to heal fully while his ankle recovered, and lol and behold, when he came back from all injuries, he scored at his usual rate, looked like his usual self, except for notable improvements off the puck.

So no, MTLs not taking any risk other than Anaheim would draft well and in hindsight have won the trade. And Mallioux is bone headed off the puck, we've got enough scoring from the blue line, that's why we're frankly more interested in Reinbacher, and would take him and MTLs 25 2nd.</div></div>

The fact that you talk about Mailloux like you know anything about him is pretty remarkable. Mailloux play without the puck have exponentially grown this season. He was one of the more consistent defender when the season ended with a very young squad in Laval. Is overall play have improved now in a way that he will become a viable and trustable top 4 defender in this league in a near future. As for Reinbacher i doubt that Hugues will entertain any trade talk for him. They pass on many great forward in last year draft to pick him.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:42 p.m.
Thread: 2024
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Taylor Hall was traded for an established top 4 RHD that was taken at 4OA. Mallioux was taken 31st, and has established nothing.

It's a weak draft, the absolute best case scenario for the player taken at 5OA is that he manages to achieve a similar career to Zegras, assuming absolutely everything goes right, then you add the fact that there's the risk of busting with that pick. Furthermore, Mallioux is not a blue chip piece.

If you had a similarly aged top 4 RHD that had shown they're not a bust at the NHL level, you could argue that 1 for 1 trade is appropriate, but you don't, you have prospects and picks that carry risks.</div></div>

Mailloux was selected 31st so what? What this have to do with anything. Mailloux is a top prospect who improved each season since he was draft. So yes Mailloux is a blue chip prospect. Finish 3rd in overall scoring for defenseman in Ahl. 6’3’’ skating like the wind, physical, with literally a bomb as a shot and he shot right. Zegras have only 2 season under is belt when Taylor Hall had 5 of them, Zegras could have reach is ceiling already, Mtl is taking a risk either since he was underperforming is previous standard. So you can play the victim card all you want, you ain’t getting two bluechip assets for him. If you does at the end i’ll be the first to present you my excuse. But as for now you can keep asking for ridiculous return, everyone know that it won’t be happening and each year Zegras get closer to is last contract year is value will drop continuously.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:20 p.m.
Thread: 2024
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>No, you're at least in the ballpark of what it would take for Zegras.</div></div>

You arr not getting 2 bluechip assets in a deal for Zegras. Historically even the best of the best that have been traded haven’t gotten those kind of return. Taylor Hall was traded at 24 for Adam Larsson. Taylor Hall and Zegras early career are very much the same. Both where on super bad team, both high draft pick, both producing at a similar pace.
The 2024 Mtl draft pick would be more then enough in term of value, depending on is Anaheim have a player the value at the position Mtl will speak. Mailloux have been a riser from the day he got drafted. He is consider a one of the top NHL prospect. Anaheim ain’t getting those kind of assets combine. Historically it haven’t happened. Zegras isn’t the second coming of the great one. Lower your expectation or it will be brutal if he get traded.