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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 9, 2020 at 3:11 p.m.
Thread: Tough decisions on young players
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wdhowell</b></div><div>You're going to get a lot of negative comments for this one. I'm a big fan of the idea of massaging a deal where Detroit takes the Eriksson contract for Demko. Virtanen is a nice start to try to balance it, but you would have some ways to go yet. Remember, Marleau went with a first and a seventh for a sixth. His contract was $6.25M for one more season. Add another season and the cap hell reality COVID has ushered in, and you will need more. If that's the measuring stick, then Eriksson is worth two firsts and two sevenths minus two sixths. One sixth is in the trade to begin with. One could point at Martin Jones as a comparative for Demko. He went for a first and Kuraly as a promising young goalie. So, that takes out a first. Kuraly was a promising center prospect in college and was a fifth round pick. Trading up two sevenths for a single a sixth and taking a little value out of the remaining first. Virtanen may eat up the rest of the value. Let other fans who are better at this than me argue that. But that leaves Pickard and Biega as overpayment.

So, based on the reasoning above, I would remove Biega and Pickard and maybe throw in a fifth to Detroit. Now, everyone commence in telling me how stupid I am. haha</div></div>

Just depends on how Yzerman values Demko and Virtanen I guess. And Biega and Pickard were just throw-ins to help even out the overall contracts, I don’t see them have much value at all. If it means taking the DET 6th out I’m sure VAN would still go for it.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 2, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
Thread: Help Me Make This Work - Murray and Dunn
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>Murray probably costs a 2nd Dunn a late first and a middle prospect maybe. Maybe detroits 2020 2nd a 4th and cholo for Dunn</div></div>Allen trade set the market. The cost of a one year option 1B goalie rental is a mid-third. One year RFA probably moves it up by half a round (low 2nd or early 3rd). Remember, Pittsburgh needs to unload salaries and protect against losing Murray or Tristan Jarry to the Kracken for nothing. One of their young goalies is going to be traded....and that limits the cost.
Dunn isn't going to be moved. You don't move 23 year old d-men with 1st pairing/#3 d-man upside. Now given St Louis' cap issue they are susceptible to an offer sheet ($4,227,438 - $6,341,152 is a 1st &amp; 3rd---but i think even a bridge offer of $4,227,436 for only a 2nd would send panic through the Blues front office). That's about the only way to get Dunn other than a massive overpay in draft capital. And 2.5M is significantly under-priced for Dunn as any team with more than 3.5M in cap space picking towards the bottom of the 2nd round (with their own pick) would be happy to throw that offer sheet for him.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wdhowell</b></div><div> Mantha 2 yrs x 6.5M</div></div>
Mantha contract value looks right, but that term is too short. Either make it 1 year at less $ or that amount for more term.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
Thread: If Montreal wants Mantha
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It's not about the value, it's about the role he as in Detroit. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.

People arguing Detroit is in reconstruction dont grasp the concept that you need to put a team on the freakin ice. It's hard enough to sell tickets with that poor team, they cant just trade away their young power foward for draft picks or AHL prospects without alienating their fans.

Even if it is less true now, it was the same reason Montreal wouldn't even consider trading Gallagher. They might be less valuable than Ovi objectively, but since they are playing for team that lack offense, their scoring skills are even more valuable for their respective GMs.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 11:03 a.m.
Thread: Not likely but
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wdhowell</b></div><div>Yeah, I'm not good at massaging trades after the base deal, so do with the picks what you will. I did publish with the feeling that I was shorting Detroit, but I didn't want to go all homer and get Demko for a bag of pucks. I will say that Detroit fans seem to value Svech a bit more than the writers and organization. He still has potential, but he is currently being looked at as a third line winger. If he finds his scoring touch again, he will obviously be a much more coveted prospect. But would Cholowski be a better prospect to send? I like Cholowski and get so frustrated that he can't quite put it all together. His stock drops with each passing season of not taking that next step. Maybe Hirose. I would hate giving him away as I think some bulk and confidence is all he needs to be a great play making middle six winger. But you have to give something to get something.</div></div>

I find it extremely hard trying to guess/estimate what the value cap dumps will be this offseason, bc obviously the situation is different than in other years. So it’s really hard to project. No harm in trying, and you’re right, if you go too far in the homer Wings direction, the other fan base will jump all over you.

You pretty much made the point yourself why not to trade Svech. Shouldn’t sell low on a player. He has more value within the organization than elsewhere at the moment. So keep him. He’s going to get his shot this year, Svech knows this, and I imagine after how things have gone for him, he’s extremely excited to prove himself and be a good hockey player. So this year will be very telling to see how it all plays out, time will tell. But no need to trade him if his value is a bag of beans. Same goes for Cholo.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 29, 2020 at 9:21 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2018 at 2:12 p.m.
Thread: Realistic Deadline - Step 1 in the REBUILD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wdhowell</b></div><div>I like this although I have some concerns with being overpaid in each trade. I'd really like to see them trade off Helm too. Trade him as a $2M/yr third-line center and free up the roster spot to have Larkin, Rasmussen, Nielsen, and Turgeon/Glendening down the middle next season after moving Z to the wing.</div></div>

I would love to move Helm, but the reality is it would need to be done in the summer based on the above deals. A team can only retain salary on 2 players, so until Green is off the books, you wouldn't be able to retain salary for Helm. I think retaining 50% of the salary for Green is what allows you to net a late 1st round pick, which is more important than unloading Helm. A deal like that for Helm could be done in the summer.