Matthews isn't getting traded.

Wennberg+Jones+Werenski AT MINIMUM for Matthews.

He has insane potential.

Toronto needs D plus will have salary cap issues with Matthews. Going to lose a lot of good players to UFA.

Ummm no.

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Please let him just stay with Toronto and let them suck.

Depth, and thus 5v5 play, wins cups, not marquee players. Toronto is fucked when they have to sign all these players to real contracts and will have no ability to compete. They blew their window by signing Marleau.

Why did you think this was going to be okay..?

Well that's what it would take to get Matthews, Your proposal isn't going to cut it.

The salary cap will increase big time here over the next couple of years, The Leafs can afford Matthews at $12 million or so, And i do agree with that the Leafs need to concentrate on their D here.

Bc Toronto has depth at the forward position but not at D. Matthews salary could really hurt them in the end.

It's not the stars salary's that hurt teams. Matthews can make whatever he wants and he will never hurt the Leafs. He's one of the best players in the NHL and will never be traded. Simple as that.

Is it worth signing him & losing 2-3 other players? Plus not being able to sign any Dmen? I think McDavid's contract has put EDM in a tough spot.

Tell me why in the world him getting the same contract in CBJ is fine, but impossible in Toronto?

And yes. It is worth losing 2-3 players if that's what it took. He's that good. Bozak/Gardiner/JVR/Komarov/Martin pick whoever you want. Nobody trades Matthews just so they can re-sign Komarov.. That's dumb.

Also, the McDavid contract hasn't even kicked in yet. They suck because of poor management and roster decisions. Not McDavid of all people.

They also have to prepare for it to kick in by trading players away. Hall & Eberle.

They won't let those guys walk either so they might have to start making some trades this year or next to avoid that problem. I'd rather get something for those guys than letting them walk.

Wow you're so smart. Lets trade Matthews instead of letting Bozak/Komarov walk.

Let's be honest. You made a proposal for a player who will never be traded, and tried to justify it with garbage that apparently only applies to the Leafs. The Leafs will make it work. I promise

quote=Matthews34;333831]Tell me why in the world him getting the same contract in CBJ is fine, but impossible in Toronto?

And yes. It is worth losing 2-3 players if that's what it took. He's that good. Bozak/Gardiner/JVR/Komarov/Martin pick whoever you want. Nobody trades Matthews just so they can re-sign Komarov.. That's dumb.[/quote]



Jel. Is correct. It is the same value contract Leafs or Jackets, but Jackets would never trade away that much talent in Jones, Wennberg & Werenski for a "star". You ask, what makes a star? It is the self-adulation that makes a star. The Jackets meticulously scout very competitive, team first players. Wennberg signed a value contract. Atkinson signed a value contract. Jones signed a value contract (which also says a lot about why they traded "star" Johansson for him). They knew Jones fit their mold or they would have dumped Johansson for another top D player.
Despite a higher cap, Toronto, Edmonton will have to sacrifice trading talent to fit their payroll under the cap with 15%-20% of payroll is apportioned to 1 player.

Bozak, Leo, probably Gardiner will be gone within the next 2 years. JVR is only staying if he takes a cut. That's 15 mill right there gone. Leafs have the depth at forward and LHD to let those players walk. The Hawks lost how many players for nothing after they won their cups? Winning teams go through yearly retools. As for RHD, they don't need a short term one cause they have Hainsey, Zaitsev and Polak (UGH) playing right side, then very near future after Polak is gone they'll have Lilegren playing and Dermott can also play the right side. Leafs are okay... not good but they'll be fine.

As for the trade itself... trade look good... if it was for Nylander or Marner.

I never once disagreed that the Leafs will have to lose some guys. But it sure as hell won't be Matthews.. And to think that the guy that becomes a victim of the cap is just so so stupid.

Also, if this ridiculous trade happened, you aren't resigning all of Dubois/Panarin/Werenski/Murray and fitting under the cap. So as much as you want to believe everyone on your team would love to take a discount!! Take a step back. These guys want money. And it's extremely biased for you to think under the same circumstances, Columbus will find a way to fit everyone in, while the Leafs must trade their franchise player to do so.

Jel. Is correct. It is the same value contract Leafs or Jackets, but Jackets would never trade away that much talent in Jones, Wennberg & Werenski for a "star". You ask, what makes a star? It is the self-adulation that makes a star. The Jackets meticulously scout very competitive, team first players. Wennberg signed a value contract. Atkinson signed a value contract. Jones signed a value contract (which also says a lot about why they traded "star" Johansson for him). They knew Jones fit their mold or they would have dumped Johansson for another top D player.
Despite a higher cap, Toronto, Edmonton will have to sacrifice trading talent to fit their payroll under the cap with 15%-20% of payroll is apportioned to 1 player.[/quote]

Again, Edmonton is screwed because of poor stupid management. They gave away Hall for Larsson which is NO WHERE near fair value, they gave away Eberle for Strome again no where near value, they signed Lucic to the contract they did, they signed Draistel to the contract they did, RNH at 6 mill is hilarity, Russel contract is hilarious.
Leafs contracts are 3 years or less and the only big money contract is Marleau who is very well worth it. Hainsey contract has been a steal, Martin may seem overpayed but what he brings is well worth it.

Not disputing anything said here, more just reiterating Jackets would never trade for that big a star name player, and give up that much in assets and be in the same boat, mismanaging money like oilers or having to give up on or juggle players to fit under cap year over year.
I am interested to see what Werenski, Bob, & Panarin will sign for on their next contract.

You have to sign JVR, Bozak, Komarov Moore?, Nylander, Marner (in 2 years), Soshnikov? & Carrick. Yes lots of cap but if Matthews gets $10-$12 things could get interesting? Plus your D is not good. The justification for the trade is to get top line D & keep really good players. Remember Gretzky got traded. It's not impossible.

Chicago had D

Yes we would have the same issue that you guys have right now. We would have to make some serious trades too.