and why the hell would MTL be giving their 2018 1st ?

Weber at a 4M price tag is worth everything you offer by himself. Assuming this isn't a joke, please explain how you came up with this valuation.

Highway robbery from Edmonton. $3.9M retained, really?

I'm gonna pass. I'd love to get RNH, and I'm willing to talk Weber, but I'm not retaining that much salary over that much term. I don't see this benefiting the Habs at all.

Montreal laughs at this.

So...
2 of our top-4 forwards
Our #1D
Our 2nd best forward prospect and best D prospect
And...
A top 10 pick in a great draft

for

A 2C
An overpaid 2nd/3rd liner
An overpaid 2nd/3rd pairing D
A 3rd liner
A young 4th liner
A prospect drafted in the late 1st round
A late 1st round pick

1. he has 7 years left at age 33

2. hes not good anymore

3. montreal gets their #1C

4. montreal gets a top forward prospect

5. montreal gets a 50pt 2nd line winger

6. montreal gets another centre option or 35pt winger

7. montreal gets a young depth player with potential to move up the lineup

8. russell balances salary on shorter term than weber.

montreal gives:

#4 D making 4M for 8 years at age 33

a top 9 potential player

potential top 4 dman

2 middle 6 forwards on decent contracts

first round pick

edmonton gives up

montreals new #1C who can put up 55+pts

2nd line winger consistent 50pt player

3rd line winger/centre 35pts

overpaid dman (like weber), same money as weber but for 5 less years (albeit less good)

4th line depth prospect with potential to move up the lineup

1st round prospect with NHL experience at 19 years old

1st round pick

most importantly they get out from under that abysmal Weber contract because hes not the top 2 dman u think he is, hes at best an overpaid #4 for 8 more years...

Im not going to get mean about it like some of the other posters but your value is way off, which is no big deal as i assume you follow EDM more so than the habs. With that said here are the basics.

Scherbak > Yam : while i think they have similar ceilings, the habs player is 3 years ahead in development (not to mention is tearing it up in the ahl)
Gallagher > Lucic : 3 years ago i might have given this one to lucic, but Gallagher is also a 50pt winger... however he is on a sweetheart deal & is entering his prime. The exact opposite holds true for lucic.
Juulsen > Russell: If both were on our team next season, juulsen would be ahead on the depth chart. Add to that the fact that he is 10yrs younger and on an elc instead of 4m cap hit.
RNH is a 2C... the moment you sell him as 1C is the moment i sell Chucky as a 1C too (evidenced by last season)
All montreal has is depth (their real need is a legit #1C and a top pair puck moving LD) so strome and slepyshev dont really hold much value to MTL.
I shouldn't have to explain which 1st rounder is better.
Lastly, Your point on webers age and contract hold no weight for your argument. he is one player over 30 that costs us 7.8M. You want to saddle MTL with 2x30yr old players that cost 10M (14m if you consider the salary retension)... on top of all of this, webers contract holds value in the final 3 years due to the possible recapture penalty should he retire early.

Again, if you can legitimately refute any of the points im making, i would love to hear it.

Did you just call Weber a #4 D? What all-star team is he on now?

Shea Weber is a #4 dman by virtually all metrics. you can choose to believe its still 2010 and hes still a top pair dman, but hes not

you know what, huge shout out to you for being civil! i respect everything you said, but i disagree with a fair amount of it (obviously were both bias here) i personally think Yamamoto has a much higher ceiling than Sherbak, i dont really see him being more than a 3rd line scorer, where i think yamamoto could be a consistent top 6 player. also on the Lucic vs Gallagher thing, Lucic has more points this year, consistently stays healthy where gallagher does not, and the only thing he has on lucic is his contract. gallagher only had 29 points last year and has never had 50pts in a season. lucic on the other hand had 50 last year, 55 the year before, in fact he only has one season where he hasnt scored 50 (not including the lockout) since 2011. even tho lucic is the better player imo (i think that was a fair argument no?), but the difference is made up in the cap savings, so i will generously call that a wash. Strome is a significant upgrade a 3c for montreal and based on last years stats, replaces Gallaghers production (30pts vs 29pts last year) if he plays RW (a stretch ik, id call gallagher a 45pt winger). slepyshev is just more depth and was basically an extra contract to get rid of. in terms of Nuge for Galchenyuk theres literally nothing you can tell me to make me believe that its a wash. Nuge is a full time centre, a very good 2C, and would be a #1c on montreal. gallchenyuk is a winger until proven otherwise and is a 2\3C on most teams. the difference there is made up for by edmonton getting Montreal's first rounder this year in exchange for ours next year (obviously top 3 protected) and by taking on Weber's contract (cap recapture penalties are not an asset man, come on now). Weber is a #4 D now and hes making 4M with the retention for the next 8 seasons after this one. hes been regressing since 2010, and the next 2-3 years are going to be tough. this entire post was made in response to a montreal fan making a team where edmonton is actually giving up assets to acquire him at full cost. i fully respect your argument and dont think were going to agree here, but i feel like my argument was more than valid.

Although I still think that most of your points (new and old) are easily refutable, I just want to clear up one point so you understand.

In the final 3 years of Webers deal his salary is only 1M (cap hit of 7.8M). Outside of the value to a team looking to hit the cap floor, the real value results from recapture. Using the last 3yrs as an example, if he were to retire in any of those years the cap hit against Nashville would be one of the following...
3yrs @ 8M (2023-26)
2yrs @ 12M (2024-26)
1yr @ 24M (2025-26)

Now if you are Dave Poile would you rather have Weber on Nashville's LTIR (no cap penalty), or lose 10%, 15%, 30% of your Cap for nothing (using 80M) which would ultimately force you into a position where you have to trade away valuable assets for crap returns. To put things into perspective, EDM will have about 19M available at the beginning of next year with only 13 guys on the books. Assuming you somehow had 10 players making the minimum 650K you would literally be 12.5M over the cap if a surprise retirement added 24M to your books.

1. having shea weber retire at age 40 does not help edmonton or montreal, it simply harms nashville

2. shea weber wont retire at age 40. no chance. he, like every other player, will just be placed on LTIR

3. the nhl would never allow this to happen to nashville, maybe winnipeg or edmonton or ottawa, but Nashville is too valuable to be able to get screwed like this

4. id really like to continue this conversation peacefully and have you easily refute my points.

What metrics are you using to identify Weber as a #4D?