i would do it for Barbashev and Danaults chemistry from Junior
those two made Jaskin top 3 in the QMJHL scoring using him for screens and deflections

Kaspick also fits what we need as far as a developmental center for Laval

i honestly got no complaints about this trade as it address's the needs of both teams
that being said STL fans might feel different time will tell theyll be on here soon

I agree with your statement and as much as it would suck to miss out on the 1st draft day 2 yrs in a row, any trade that makes the Blues better now while keeping all of Thomas/Kyrou/Thompson/Kostin is a win.

The cap dump is probably Gunnarsson. And if I'm the Blues I'm probably more willing to move Kaspick over Musil.

I figure with how protective blues fans are of their "big 4" prospects, they might just by willing to take the hit on 2 years of drafting/

now would you look at that
you did something no one i have seen yet on this site do
get a deal all sides like in a STL deal for Pacioretty (ive seen it for other teams but never STL because everyone includes those top 4 as you put it )

i will give credit when its due instead of ripping your trade apart i see the context of what you are trying to do .
you are now 1 step closer to double digit likes ,Congratulations

a few more like these and you will have more likes and positive feed back then i do

Honestly this was a thought long before I actually joined the site. I just don't see the point of posting most of the time, I've only been browsing AGM since Christmas, I thought the more reasonable trades had been done to death.

you would actually be shocked at how little trades like this are pulled off

i know about 5 members who would run a similar set up but 4/5 dont know who is in what teams system
they just look at the cap and usually pick the prospect with the highest cap never looking at their production like you did with Kaspick

Gofnut999 is about the only one i think that would put together a trade similar to this and he will be by in a while and likely give you the old thumbs up (which is rare from him as it 100% has to work for both sides or he wont give you a good ranking )

I didn't actually know the Blues depth chart, this is just from guys who are represented on this site. What do you think of the lines I have up there BTW. Galchenyuk was solid with Byron and Radulov before he got hurt last year, so I put offensive downgrade but defensive (maybe) upgrade Lehkonen with him. I hope Danault and Barbashev flip by seasons end but a know more about Danault when he is healthy. Plekanec is a place holder and hopefully traded by seasons end but that isn't important to this exact trade. Also I don't know if Hudon replaces him or DLR/Froese/A.Shaw.

This might give an idea, if you're using Kessel as a comparison. It's not exact, but should give a ballpark idea, then you can tweak around it.

Spaling: 3rd line C. Flipped for two 2nds and Torres. (along with Polak).
Kapanen: 1st round pick 22nd overall. Ultimatum from Toronto was no kapanen, no deal.
Harrington: 2nd round pick 54th overall. Flipped along with a conditional 5th for Rychel (1st round pick 19th overall).
1st and 3rd round picks.

Toronto retained (approx 7M total), included a 2nd, Biggs (22nd overall "bust"), and Erixon (23rd overall "bust").

Montreal:
Pacioretty (4.5M total retained)
2nd in 2018
McCarron
De La Rose (next closest 1st round "bust")

St Louis:
Thomas or no deal (Montreal's ultimatum)
Gunnarsson (closest to Spaling, might be able to flip for a pick)
Vanelli or Walman (closest to Harrington)
1st in 2019
3rd in 2018

Not an evaluation, but a comparative breakdown.
The reality is, the other pieces can fluctuate, but Montreal would probably go somewhere else if St Louis wasn't willing to move Thomas. If that means no deal, so be it.

this took me a bit to ponder

id put Drouin on Chucky RW as he is best on his off wing (dont know why drouin just is ) plus he can help chucky with faceoffs

so i guess i would go based on chemistry and the face Hudon is our best possesion forward bar none and draws a lot of penalties i like keeping him with Gallagher
because the more they play together the better Hudon becomes all around .

Byron-Chucky-Drouin
Hudon-Danault-Gallagher(when theyve played together this year they have been fast and good agitators )
Lehkonen-Shaw- Scherbak(hoping they click if not move up shaw again)
Deslauriers-Barbashev-Carr
Froese(Froese i better then L.Shaw or DLR as 13th forward as every game he is given he plays like his last digging out pucks and paying the price for Deslauriers and Carr to score )

that only covers about 2600/4000 between top 3 centers
but between Drouin ,Barbashev ,Hudon and Byron we should be able to get 1400 faceoffs (drouin with about 600,i would lay about 300-400 on hudon via special teams PK primary center and 400 between byron and barbashev )

ideally i would like to move out byron because until we moved out moen , weise didnt step up , until we moved out weise byron didnt step up and until we move byron someone else cant step up .
i would like to move byron out and promote Lehkonen to top 6 bringing eller in to player third line with Barbashev on his LW transitioning him to center like he started to Chucky as adding eller helps our faceoff issues and our youth WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more then Plekky because he is Coach Eller and because of his dad he just knows how to make all those around him better .

as far as D you nailed it
id leave benn up top until Mete is ready and Jerabek is so good on his offside its illogical

TMLs shitty drafting isnt PIT fault tho they passed on
Namestnikov and Raekell to pick **** picks that isnt on PIT

also pass on Thomas

Barbashev is ready now plus we get a prospect with similar production to Thomas at the same level
plus he was getting at STL being ready to pony up some depth prospects and picks to get a 30 goal scorer for 3rd line
i am pretty sure or thats what his description reads .

Well thought out on both sides.

Not sure what you mean with the picks. Had nothing to do with Toronto's drafting. This is assuming we don't have the benefit of hindsight as well. Biggs and Erixon were only included so you can say you acquired "two former 1st rounders", even though both GMs knew they were busts at the time. They were only there for perception to help justify the cost.

Also said I wasn't evaluating the trade, I was only providing a more comparable look to the Kessel trade and what it could look like if a similar trade were made involving Pacioretty.

Personally not sold on Barbashev, especially as a center. Musil and Kaspick don't project well enough to warrant consideration. Poehling, Ikonnen, and Vejdemo, should all eventually get a shot at the NHL way ahead of those we may pick up in this deal. Quantity might be sufficient, but the quality just isn't there, imo.

all i can say is it doesnt take hindsight to look at TMLs draft history of busts and know their scouting is ****
if it isnt a top 10 picks its a bust almost everytime and i dont need to exaggerate out of context to sell this fact i hear from TML fans a lot
but here is a link proving its their drafting that is poor and anyone else has enough common sense not to draft from the USHL that late unless they want a Mccarron like we got


personally i watched Barbashev in Junior, he is quick and smart but most importantly an unselfish playmaker which is a great quality.
now i wouldnt start him off center as i 100% agree with you he isnt ready for center now but give him a player like Shaw and he will be .
i watched Shaw turn Barbashevs and Jaskins junior line mate Danault from a LW who only played wing into a 1000+ faceoff center with 50%+
but for this year where shaw is out like i said above to the poster id have Barbashev cutting his teeth on 4th line center as we arent trying to win
tons of games right now anyways we want a good pick and now is the time to test the youths limits .


Kaspick i like because i know STL is about as likely to give up Thomas as we were to give up Chucky Mete or Scherbak after we drafted them
there is no value in them doing it given they can target Rick Nash for much less and get similar yield and is an 8 time 30 goal scorer at 33 has 41 playoff points in 77 games with 139 hits and 41 forced turnovers.
he is more of a pure rental with a higher cap to maneuver but its not like STL is forced up against the wall at gun point making these trades.

you are to focused on the semantics of the example given instead of focusing on the context of the post.
that is a guaranteed 1st and 2nd pick with 2 center prospects which is a deal only about 4-5 teams can manage while keeping their playoff hopes alive




http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00008490.html

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I don't see the Blue's dropping a 1st & 2nd's on Patches. I don't see anyone doing it to be honest.

Pittsburgh paid for Kessel because:

1) He's better than Patches (similar goals but averages 10-15 more points than Patches every year)
2) He was already signed for like 6 more years - which keeps him in the lineup for the rest of Crosby & Malkin's prime.
3) Kapanen was under-performing expectations.

Patches is on pace for 25 goals & 50 points this year, dissappears in the playoffs & appears to be on the decline.

You guys all MUST be Montreal fans....expect something similar to:

- McDonagh for Gomez
- Subban for Weber
- Sergachev for Drouin
- Beaulieu for a 3rd
- Kassian for Scrivens
- DeBrincat + a 2nd for Shaw

You guys know whose in charge. Got to accept that. People arn't gonna make fair trades with Bergevin....it's career suicide.