Mcdonagh, Nash, Grabner, Holden(read Description before comments)

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Created by: seaschell1211

Team: 2017-18 New York Rangers

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 13, 2018

Published: Feb. 13, 2018

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

ON RICK NASH:
Would love a 1st(as shown below) but would definitely be willing for 2nd and 3rd(2019)

ON GRABNER:

2 seconds is fair value. Not worth a pick and prospect, and not a first. But definitely 2 picks. Could be like Nash above a 2nd and 3rd.

ON HOLDEN:

I don't care where he goes but we would be stupid to let him walk at the end of the year for nothing. Willing to get as low as a 5th.

ON MCDONAGH:

I think this is really a good deal for both sides. Maybe I under valued McDonagh a little because Karlsson will be available too and he will most likely get a 1st, 2nd and prospect(potentially 2 1sts) if he leaves OTT.

BUT: Grundstrom played with Andersson in Frolunda and I think it would be good chemistry for the future.

Mcdonagh will definitely return a 1st though. If the leafs make the playoffs(most likely will) then it will be a low pick so I could see more coming back to the Rangers due to this(plus retaining 50%), maybe a conditional pick(2018 2nd TOR (Not SJS's who will have a higher pick)) if they make the playoffs.

Trades

NYR

2018 2nd round pick (BOS)
2019 2nd round pick (BOS)

BOS

Grabner, Michael

NYR

2018 1st round pick (SJS)

Additional Details:

Conditional 2019 3rd if Nash resigns

SJS

Nash, Rick ($3,900,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Can be any team willing to give a first

NYR

2018 3rd round pick (LAK)

LAK

Holden, Nick

NYR

Grundström, Carl
Kapanen, Kasperi
2018 1st round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

Conditional 2019 (2nd or 3rd) if Leafs make playoffs

TOR

McDonagh, Ryan

Buyouts

Dan Girardi: $2,611,111
Brad Richards: $0
Marc Staal: $2,133,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Rick Nash: $3,900,000 (100%)

Buried

Brendan Smith: $3,325,000 ($4,350,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2018
2019
2020

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$75,000,000	$60,167,777	$0	$4,415,000	$14,832,223

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kreider, Chris $4,625,000$4,625,000 LW UFA - 3	Zibanejad, Mika $5,350,000$5,350,000 C UFA - 5	Buchnevich, Pavel $925,000$925,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 2
Miller, J.T. $2,750,000$2,750,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Hayes, Kevin $2,600,000$2,600,000 C UFA - 1	Zuccarello, Mats $3,150,000$3,150,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Vesey, Jimmy $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) RW, LW UFA - 1		Lettieri, Vinni $925,000$925,000 C, RW UFA - 2
Carey, Paul $650,000$650,000 C UFA - 1	Desharnais, David $1,000,000$1,000,000 C UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper $1,850,000$1,850,000 RW UFA - 3
McLeod, Cody $800,000$800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Holland, Peter $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Skjei, Brady $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Shattenkirk, Kevin $6,650,000$6,650,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Lundqvist, Henrik $8,500,000$8,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Deangelo, Anthony $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) RD UFA - 2	Kampfer, Steven $650,000$650,000 RD UFA - 2	Pavelec, Ondrej $1,300,000$1,300,000 G UFA - 1
Gilmour, John $742,500$742,500 ($182,500$182K) D UFA - 1	Pionk, Neal $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 2	Georgiev, Alexandar $792,500$792,500 ($132,500$132K) G UFA - 3
	Sproul, Ryan $625,000$625,000 RD UFA - 1

Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:11 p.m.

Barathrum_Obama

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McD deal is terrible. hard pass

Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:13 p.m.

seaschell1211

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Quoting: Barathrum_Obama

McD deal is terrible. hard pass

Like I said in comments(I UNDER Valued him because of Karlsson.. most likely get another pick)

Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:14 p.m.

Sagecoll

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Rangers say no to all. Remember about 3 weeks ago when most Ranger trades had McDonagh for Marner, That valuation hasn't changed. It's just spread out over multiple pieces.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:30 p.m.

Skeating622

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Edited Feb. 13, 2018 at 3:13 p.m.

McDonagh should fetch a 2018 1st, 2019 2nd & 2 prospects, not being the orgs top 3, so between 3-10. So something like CARL GRUNDSTRÖM, & YEGOR KORSHKOV or EEMELI RÄSÄNEN.

The ask will be for Marner or Nylander or TIMOTHY LILJEGREN but i don't think TOR budges.

Nash should get more 2018 1st & 1 A (1-3) prospect or 2 B (3-10) prospects, JOSHUA NORRIS , DYLAN GAMBRELL

Grabner can fetch a 2018 1st OR a A or B prospect & a 2018 2nd, depends where the 2nd look it like it will land, probably between 45- 62.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:34 p.m.

ADTR55

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Quoting: Sagecoll

Rangers say no to all. Remember about 3 weeks ago when most Ranger trades had McDonagh for Marner, That valuation hasn't changed. It's just spread out over multiple pieces.

Can't see the Leafs giving up Marner for an older defenseman who will demand a big salary soon, especially now that Marner has been playing better. It's a risky move for a team that wants to go far in the playoffs. Maybe they would part with Kapanen and a 1st?

Feb. 13, 2018 at 2:40 p.m.

seaschell1211

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Quoting: Sagecoll

Rangers say no to all. Remember about 3 weeks ago when most Ranger trades had McDonagh for Marner, That valuation hasn't changed. It's just spread out over multiple pieces.

You would say no to 2 2nd round picks for Grabner? I think that's more than fair though considering he most likely will not resign.
Nash deal is fair too, either my comments above or the actual trade. I know we are retaining that's why the Rangers will most likely get 2 picks.
And Holden for a third is more than fair too.

Quoting: ADTR55

Could definitely see a 1st Kapanen and Grundstrom and a conditional pick if leafs make the playoffs for McDonagh.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 3:00 p.m.

jordant89

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if this is the honest asking price the Rangers expect for McD if Lou trades for him im going to punch him in the face. Way to much future to give up.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 3:10 p.m.

Sagecoll

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I'm just saying that's the equivalent. But there becomes a point where the ceiling has to match. For example, Lou says Marner off the table. Ok we start with Liljegren then. He says Liljegren off the table. Ok we start with Dermott then. He says he's off the table and Rangers walk away. In the Dermott or Liljegren situation you're looking at a 1st + 2nd + piece. We would take on a cap dump for another or better future.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 3:50 p.m.

goodfella

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A lot to ask for Nash imo.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 3:56 p.m.

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hazard

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Quoting: Sagecoll

You are all out of your mind. Leafs have a plan in place. They are not willing to deal Blue chip prospects, or young talented stars playing in the NHL right now. Dermott, Kapanen, Lilijgren, Marner/Nylander are all off the table. Stop making these ridiculous propositions with the leafs. Think more BOS or TBL for McDonaugh

Feb. 13, 2018 at 4:01 p.m.

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Sagecoll

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Quoting: hazard

"I want a 1D but I don't want to pay for a 1D" is a sentiment I've seen a lot of. I want a steak, I'll give you 20 crumbs. NHL GM's and coaches value Cups. Now the Leafs don't have to make the move. And Lou isn't the sort to do anything brash I agree. But if it's not you guys it's someone else. And Boston and Tampa don't have the pieces without giving up roster pieces.

Feb. 13, 2018 at 4:06 p.m.

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hazard

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Quoting: Sagecoll

I agree with you, the only thing I have against you is the fact that you are smart and you know this, yet you still choose to do the unrealistic trade with the leafs. Honestly, even BOS wont agree to this if it means parting ways with their young talent. Your 2 best options are TBL, OTT, DAL, and WSH (& maybe MTL). Good luck

Feb. 13, 2018 at 4:15 p.m.

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seaschell1211

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Quoting: hazard

Sorry I also forgot to retain 1/2 of McDonagh's salary when i updated this.. My original post was Grundstrom and the 1st with a conditional 2nd round pick in 2018(TOR not SJS(SJS will be the better pick)). I think you are correct in that McDonagh will probably go to Boston or Tampa but there is a chance he goes to Toronto that's why I did this. I see Kapenen being given up before Lilijgren, and no way are The leafs giving up Nylander or Marner, and as a Rangers fan I really want to get a bunch of picks(that would be my goal).

Feb. 13, 2018 at 4:16 p.m.

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Skeating622

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Lest we never forget this one ...

2004-Mar-03 Traded from New York Rangers with round 4 pick in the 2004 draft (Roman Kukumberg) to Toronto Maple Leafs for Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen, round 1 pick in the 2004 draft (Kris Chucko) and round 2 pick in the 2005 draft for Brian leetch who also had 1 more year on his deal (but was lost to the l04/05 lockout)

Feb. 13, 2018 at 4:20 p.m.

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hazard

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Quoting: seaschell1211

Id gladly give you A.Neilsen, N.Shoshnikov, a 2019 first, and cond 3rd if you really want picks and prospects. Otherwise, you can keep him

Feb. 13, 2018 at 4:46 p.m.

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Quoting: hazard

I don't disagree with any of that. Don't really see Tampa as an option though since they probably won't move Serg or Point. I think Dallas works great but they already have a top Defense. Washington could work, but their system is so thin it'd require moving Djoos and one of Vrana or Burakovsky to start. Montreal actually makes a good deal of sense if they want to move Hudon. Frankly, I've always thought Edmonton works with a deal built around Puljujarvi. You never know with Chiarelli.

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