Re: Grabner signing - that’s probably fair value but at the same time I can see a team looking to reach the cap floor giving him a larger contract.

True. Grabner's deal was a little low....but for what he offers a team it's around what you can expect. Somebody may blow the doors off with an offer, ya never know.

You must be a Habs fan because this is what a lot of them think Galchenyuk is worth but you are sadly mistaken. Simmonds himself is worth more than Galchenyuk.

Yeah that deal is bad, but can you explain the thought process of saying a player 5 years older, with a lower pts/game in his career and last season, with only one year left on his ,admittedly very nice, deal is worth more? Especially when we are talking about the younger player coming from a rebuilding team.

The PPG argument is moot. Galchenyuk has been given every single opportunity to be a top line forward and has not been able to do it. Simmonds has barely ever been given that opportunity and still has 2 60 point seasons under his belt recently (Galchenyuk has never done that). This year Simmonds played through a broken pelvis and broken ankle yet only got 5 fewer points while playing with guys like Filppula and Weal/Read. Oh ya and he also played 7 less games. Then we can talk about toughness. Pretty sure Simmonds brings 10x the grit that Galchenyuk does.

Since when was MTL a rebuilding team? just because they absolutely blew this year, you can’t all of a sudden claim rebuild when you genuinely expected playoffs.

Simmonds is worth more than Galchenyuk sorry if you don’t get that.

Montreal is a rebuilding team because the don't have a 1 or 2 centre, not likely to contend lacking those, not likely to be making playoffs either next year. Yeah points per game is moot, it's only a measure of what kind of offense you can expect from a player. Simmonds is unlikely to hit 60 again, that's just the reality of him getting towards 30 and I'm pretty sure he was on the top line for most of the season's he hit those numbers anyway. Galchenyuk played with guys like dlr and put up a 50 point season. If Simmonds has health issues it hurts his value more, and ankle injuries can hurt even guys like EKs totals. You seem personally offended that Simmonds would be a poor fit in Montreal at this point, and therefore has less value in a trade to them. Grit and toughness are nice, but that can be found easily enough with 4th line players.

I’m not offended at all. You know why Galchenyuk got demoted...because he isn’t as good as his draft position says he should be and that is what you Habs fans can’t get over. Simmonds is worth more than Galchenyuk and I bet a lot of people would tell you that. And I never said he would be a fit in MTL.

let me put it to you this way. all the reasoning you were giving for Simmonds are pretty much the same reasons Habs have been giving for Pacioretty (and Patches has far more 60 point's seasons plus 30 goal years than Simmonds), yet when MTL claims those reasons, we somehow overvalue our players and Pacioretty is worth nothing more than a single blue chip prospect, but "Habs might have to add more" lol...

The reason I'm bringing Pacioretty up is because Galchenyuk has more value than him. He has a lot more potential, and still just 23 years old. Chucky on the Flyers playing with Voracek most likely puts up 65+pts easy. So if Chucky is worth more than Patches, and I think we can agree Patches is worth more than Simmonds (not by a lot, but enough to make the distinction), Than you can put two and two together and realize Chucky is worth more than Simmonds.

I think I should also add that the deal doesn't work for both teams, PHI are giving up way too many assets for just one player, and somehow retain salary too lol and MTL still doesn't get a legitimate Center or LD in the deal. So can we both just agree that the deal just sucks for both teams and move on?

You make a lot of assumptions. I judge players by what they have done at the nil level, Galchenyuk is a career average 50 point guy, over a full 82 obviously. Their were only 118 that hit 50 points last season, less than 4 players per team. That is the value I put on him, top end 2nd line production, and at 25 he likely stays around that level for 5 more years, possibly more.
Simmonds might fetch more than Galchenyuk, but with the position Montreal is in Simmonds as an asset is worth less than Galchenyuk as an asset. Simmonds only has 1 year left then will be looking to cash in for what might be his last contract. Unless Mtl gets Tavares they aren't likely a playoff team next season, Simmonds is the kind of guy you get for playoffs. Value as a player and value as an asset are different and non playoff teams need to look at asset value. Tl;Dr Simmonds is worth more to a playoff team than a non playoff team.

I completely disagree with you. Again Patches has been given every opportunity to succeed by playing with the best players on the team, not the same for Simmer yet he contributes nearly the same. Simmonds has intangibles that those players do not have and everyone knows it.

Again, never said MTL was a good trading partner but you are overvaluing the underperforming Galchenyuk.

I dont see how 50 points is underperforming when that's what I expect from him. You are undervaluing him because you view him as underperforming. I didn't say they were good trade partners either, and that's the point. Simmonds wouldn't get you Galchenyuk straight up because they are bad trading partners, it has very little to do with them as players and everything to do with age and contract status in this case.

What on earth are you talking about?! Patches most consistent partner last year was Danault... and Pacioretty is one of the most known guys across the league for finding success with nobody significant playing with him over the past couple years. Desharnais ringing any bells? Apart from being "gritty" what intangibles are you talking about? Pacioretty has been a 2way 200ft player for most of his career, is always on the PK and scoring most of his goals 5 on 5 (believe it or not, he's not that great on the PP), he's a captain, etc . yet Simmonds has intangibles that somehow make him better than Patches? get out of here! *figure of speech. I don't really mean to get out of here lol*

This year was basically the only year Patches didn’t have anyone to play with and it seems to me he didn’t do a whole lot at all. Last year he had Radulov and previous years he had Plekanec, who was good, not so much anymore.

Yes Patches had Radulov last year (2016-17). every year before that Patches would rarely play with Plekanec (aside from the PK, since they were the first unit), 2015-2016 his center was Galchenyuk for almost 2/3 of the season (which was ironically Chucky's 30 goal year......no comment) his Center before that was always Desharnais. Point is Patches never truly had a legitimate Center over his career (apart from the Chucky stint, but again....no comment) correct me if I'm wrong, but Simmonds played with Giroux and Voracek during his 60 points seasons.

This year both Patches and Simmonds had no one on their lines. Which is why they can make good comparisons as both struggled this year, offensively and with injuries. Patches is the better player imo. While he might be less "Gritty" than Simmonds, he's the better 2way player and better offensively. If you still disagree, then I guess there's no point arguing anymore. Cheers!

I just suggested the deal because I can't see Hextall giving Simmonds a monster deal to stay. So he'd be valuable to a team because he only has one year left.....if he flounders he walks....if he flourishes he resigns...

As far as Galchenyuk I thought a player of his speed and offensive prowess would excel on a line with Patrick and Voracek. That's all I saw that as....