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Fixing a trainwreck - trades with VGK, DAL, NYI, MTL, NSH

Created by: justaBoss
Team: 2018-19 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 13, 2018
Published: Jun. 13, 2018
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Ideas of these trades:

Vegas trade: Karlsson will be leaving this team, so trading him is basically a must if you want something for him. In this trade, Ottawa receives some great prospects and draft picks and gets rid of a cap dump. Vegas gets an top offensive d-man in the world, and who knows if Ryan can find a new start in a new place.

Dallas trade: Ottawa gets some decent reinforcements, mainly a veteran d-man that's making a comeback to a team where he did play his best game. Ottawa also receive former first round prospect and a decent lower line forward, alongside two draft picks. Dallas receives a great 2nd line forward who could benefit from a change of scenery.

NYI trade: Making a rebuild, this team needs some draft picks. With this trade, they get some future assets, a first and a third round pick. They also receive an experienced d-man with some salary retained. NYI receives a decent goalie and a RHD they have been seeking for some time.

Montreal trade: Ottawa gets a higher draft pick and a winger prospect in exchange to their one turn lower draft pick and a decent center.

Nashville trade: Ottawa is in risk of losing their 1C, Duchene, since his contract is about to end. so they make a trade for another 1C that's on a long contract - and Johansen is just that. NSH gets a same level center - or possibly even better one, and they have no trouble resigning him at all.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,250,000
7$7,250,000
1$725,000
1$725,000
1$725,000
2$1,925,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dobson, Noah
3$925,000
Zadina, Filip
3$925,000
2$3,000,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Glass, Cody
  2. Hague, Nicolas
  3. Tuch, Alex
  4. 2019 1st round pick (VGK)
  5. 2020 7th round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Karlsson, Erik
  2. Ryan, Bobby ($1,087,500 retained)
2.
OTT
  1. Gurianov, Denis
  2. Methot, Marc
  3. 2018 2nd round pick (DAL)
  4. 2019 4th round pick (MIN)
Additional Details:
RFA Devin Shore
DAL
  1. Borowiecki, Mark
  2. Hoffman, Mike
3.
OTT
  1. Boychuk, Johnny ($1,800,000 retained)
  2. 2018 1st round pick (CGY)
  3. 2018 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Anderson, Craig
Additional Details:
RFA Cody Ceci
4.
OTT
  1. Hudon, Charles
  2. 2018 1st round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. 2018 1st round pick (OTT)
5.
OTT
  1. Johansen, Ryan
  2. 2018 5th round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Duchene, Matt
  2. Pääjärvi, Magnus
  3. 2020 4th round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the DAL
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the NSH
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the NYR
2019
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the MIN
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the CGY
2020
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the CBJ
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the VGK
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$80,000,000$54,510,277$0$3,165,000$25,489,723
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Zadina, Filip
$925,000$925,000
Johansen, Ryan
$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 7
Stone, Mark
$7,250,000$7,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Hudon, Charles
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Glass, Cody
$894,167$894,167
C, RW
RFA - 4
Tuch, Alex
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Shore, Devin
$1,925,000$1,925,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
White, Colin
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, RW
UFA - 1
Dzingel, Ryan
$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
Gurianov, Denis
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Brown, Logan
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$710,000$710K)
C, LW
RFA - 3
Burrows, Alexandre
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
McCormick, Max
$650,000$650,000
LW
UFA - 1
Pyatt, Tom
$1,100,000$1,100,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Methot, Marc
$4,900,000$4,900,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Dobson, Noah
$925,000$925,000
Hutton, Carter
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 3
Chabot, Thomas
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$360,000$360K)
LD
UFA - 2
Boychuk, Johnny
$4,200,000$4,200,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
Condon, Mike
$2,400,000$2,400,000
G
UFA - 2
Claesson, Fredrik
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
Jaros, Christian
$755,000$755,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
RD
UFA - 2
Harpur, Ben
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 2

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Jun. 13, 2018 at 4:09 p.m.
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Literally all of those trades are insane.
Jun. 13, 2018 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Literally all of those trades are insane.


with that karlsson trade there is no way theyre retaining cap on ryan. sens clearly said karlsson will be of less value if you take on ryans contract, not most of ryans contract. also i think sens wanted colin miller in that trade too, not 100% sure tho
Jun. 13, 2018 at 4:14 p.m.
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I think OTT would be lucky to get a 1st for Hoffman now.
Jun. 13, 2018 at 4:20 p.m.
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Don't see that Karlsson deal happening. Why would Vegas give up such a massive chunk of their future when they could wait a year and get him for free, not to mention taking on Bobby Ryan's terrible contract...
Jun. 13, 2018 at 4:34 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Literally all of those trades are insane.


Not all of them. I think they all make some level of sense aside from the Nashville trade
Jun. 13, 2018 at 4:47 p.m.
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Karlsson Trade - If they are sending Ryan and over 6 million of his salary with Karlsson, the return will be diminished. Take either Tuch or Glass out of the equation, or retain a lot more money. Vegas won't have crazy cap space for ever, they need to manage that.

Methot Trade - isn't too bad

Anderson Trade - no one in that trade is worth a 1st, especially since Anderson is coming off such a shitty year. Ceci isn't what Ottawa hoped he'd be.

Pageau Trade - Maybe but only if Montreal knows that the guy they want Ottawa doesn't want. What I mean is if Ottawa says we want Zadina really badly, how about we flip picks? If Montreal wanted Tkachuck, then they would take Pageau and the 1st for their first. So they gain an asset and still pick the guy they wanted.

Duchene Trade - Nothing needs to be said but come on. The guy has been over rated his entire career, he's a 2C centre at best and after watching what happened when he left Colorado (One of the worst seasons in history) and joined Ottawa (one of the worst second halves ever) I think its not a stretch to say he's not very valuable. I don't know if he has an attitude problem but he certainly isn't nearly as good as Johanson.
Jun. 13, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Karlsson Trade - If they are sending Ryan and over 6 million of his salary with Karlsson, the return will be diminished. Take either Tuch or Glass out of the equation, or retain a lot more money. Vegas won't have crazy cap space for ever, they need to manage that.

Methot Trade - isn't too bad

Anderson Trade - no one in that trade is worth a 1st, especially since Anderson is coming off such a shitty year. Ceci isn't what Ottawa hoped he'd be.

Pageau Trade - Maybe but only if Montreal knows that the guy they want Ottawa doesn't want. What I mean is if Ottawa says we want Zadina really badly, how about we flip picks? If Montreal wanted Tkachuck, then they would take Pageau and the 1st for their first. So they gain an asset and still pick the guy they wanted.

Duchene Trade - Nothing needs to be said but come on. The guy has been over rated his entire career, he's a 2C centre at best and after watching what happened when he left Colorado (One of the worst seasons in history) and joined Ottawa (one of the worst second halves ever) I think its not a stretch to say he's not very valuable. I don't know if he has an attitude problem but he certainly isn't nearly as good as Johanson.


I like your comment. But you lost me at Duchene. The guy is Unreal and a true #1C. He had a slow start but he's a lot of fun to watch and I can say that most Sens fans are really happy with that trade. I would never trade him for Johanson 1v1. He's not the problem.

COL = Bad Defences and Goaltending
OTT = Bad ownership = Bad financial trades + the entire Hoffman thing
Jun. 13, 2018 at 5:40 p.m.
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All of those trades are good except the Duchene trade...I would much rather have Douche over Johansen
Jun. 13, 2018 at 5:48 p.m.
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All of those trades are good except the Duchene trade...I would much rather have Douche over Johansen


Even though there's a huge risk of losing him after the next year?
Jun. 14, 2018 at 10:44 a.m.
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I like your comment. But you lost me at Duchene. The guy is Unreal and a true #1C. He had a slow start but he's a lot of fun to watch and I can say that most Sens fans are really happy with that trade. I would never trade him for Johanson 1v1. He's not the problem.

COL = Bad Defences and Goaltending
OTT = Bad ownership = Bad financial trades + the entire Hoffman thing


They how did Colorado become a good team after Duchene left? Duchene is an okay 2nd line centre but drama just seems to follow him around. Ottawa is such a disaster right now. Owner is nuts, one of their top player has a partner who has issues (Either Hoffman's fiance or Karlsson's wife is lying or just wrong). Duchene isn't a C1 on any contending team in the League. He's okay if he has talent on his wings but he can't run a line by himself. Look at guys like Crosby, Kopitar, McDavid, Matthews etc. Those guys can dominate no matter who they play with. Put Duchene with 2 third liners and he plays like a 3rd liner. Put him with 4th liners and he is a 4th liner. With 1st liners, he's servicable but will be outworked by any real #1 Centre.
Jun. 14, 2018 at 11:16 a.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
They how did Colorado become a good team after Duchene left? Duchene is an okay 2nd line centre but drama just seems to follow him around. Ottawa is such a disaster right now. Owner is nuts, one of their top player has a partner who has issues (Either Hoffman's fiance or Karlsson's wife is lying or just wrong). Duchene isn't a C1 on any contending team in the League. He's okay if he has talent on his wings but he can't run a line by himself. Look at guys like Crosby, Kopitar, McDavid, Matthews etc. Those guys can dominate no matter who they play with. Put Duchene with 2 third liners and he plays like a 3rd liner. Put him with 4th liners and he is a 4th liner. With 1st liners, he's servicable but will be outworked by any real #1 Centre.


Did not know that the team Canada Olympic team took on 4th line centers? interesting

Also, you literately named the 5 best Centers in the league.... lol there's 31 teams man! There can be more than 5 #1C out there
Jun. 14, 2018 at 11:25 a.m.
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Did not know that the team Canada Olympic team took on 4th line centers? interesting

Also, you literately named the 5 best Centers in the league.... lol there's 31 teams man! There can be more than 5 #1C out there


Would you like me to list off all the other centres who are better than Duchene. He started off well but he's stopped progressing and is just an okay centre now.
Jun. 14, 2018 at 11:27 a.m.
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Would you like me to list off all the other centres who are better than Duchene. He started off well but he's stopped progressing and is just an okay centre now.


Please do!

Guarantee you won't find 31 better centers than him!
Jun. 14, 2018 at 12:03 p.m.
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Please do!

Guarantee you won't find 31 better centers than him!


Just out of curiosity, I tried to do this.

Better centers than Duchene
Backstrom, Barkov, Barzal, Bergeron, Crosby, Draisaitl, Eichel, Getzlaf, Giroux, Kopitar, Kuznetsov, MacKinnon, Malkin, Matthews, McDavid, Scheifele, Seguin, Stamkos, Tavares, Toews

Very close to him
Couturier, Drouin, Horvat, Johansen, Karlsson, Monahan, Nylander, O'Reilly, Point, Rakell, Schenn, E.Staal, Trocheck, Zibanejad

Some of these may play as a winger, but they can be play C.

I'm also quite sure I forgot someone that should be absolutely in this list.
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Just out of curiosity, I tried to do this.

Better centers than Duchene
Backstrom, Barkov, Barzal, Bergeron, Crosby, Draisaitl, Eichel, Getzlaf, Giroux, Kopitar, Kuznetsov, MacKinnon, Malkin, Matthews, McDavid, Scheifele, Seguin, Stamkos, Tavares, Toews

Very close to him
Couturier, Drouin, Horvat, Johansen, Karlsson, Monahan, Nylander, O'Reilly, Point, Rakell, Schenn, E.Staal, Trocheck, Zibanejad

Some of these may play as a winger, but they can be play C.

I'm also quite sure I forgot someone that should be absolutely in this list.


Hahahahahaha as if! Actually not bad. Here's my opinion.

For the first list. Yes I 100% agree, all better centers than Duchene except for Toews. I think his glory days are behind him.

Second list:

Equivalent: Johansen, O'Reilly, Monahan,
To Be Determined (Break out a season, but IDK if they can keep it out): Couturier, Karlsson, Rakell, Point,
Not better: Drouin, Stall (slowed down), Zibanejad (Extremely inconsistent), Nylander (RW)
I don't know enough about the player: Trocheck, Schenn

I'm actually impressed. That being said, I still believe Duchene is a #1 C.
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Hahahahahaha as if! Actually not bad. Here's my opinion.

For the first list. Yes I 100% agree, all better centers than Duchene except for Toews. I think his glory days are behind him.

Second list:

Equivalent: Johansen, O'Reilly, Monahan,
To Be Determined (Break out a season, but IDK if they can keep it out): Couturier, Karlsson, Rakell, Point,
Not better: Drouin, Stall (slowed down), Zibanejad (Extremely inconsistent), Nylander (RW)
I don't know enough about the player: Trocheck, Schenn

I'm actually impressed. That being said, I still believe Duchene is a #1 C.


I agree with you - in some teams Duchene is very well a 1C. But what you said about Staal is something I don't agree with. I mean, this season he scored 42 goals, which is incredible amount for a center. He's as good as Duchene is - probably a bit slower, but better in scoring.
Jun. 14, 2018 at 12:57 p.m.
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I agree with you - in some teams Duchene is very well a 1C. But what you said about Staal is something I don't agree with. I mean, this season he scored 42 goals, which is incredible amount for a center. He's as good as Duchene is - probably a bit slower, but better in scoring.


True, you're absolutely right. I was thinking of Staal back in Carolina where we was starting to slow down.
Jun. 14, 2018 at 1:27 p.m.
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True, you're absolutely right. I was thinking of Staal back in Carolina where we was starting to slow down.


Yes, in Carolina he was quite bad.

I also thought of 3 other centers who's nearly as good as Duchene that I did not mention earlier: Dylan Larkin, Logan Couture and Nazem Kadri. They all are quite good in my opinion.
Jun. 14, 2018 at 1:30 p.m.
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Yes, in Carolina he was quite bad.

I also thought of 3 other centers who's nearly as good as Duchene that I did not mention earlier: Dylan Larkin, Logan Couture and Nazem Kadri. They all are quite good in my opinion.


Those are also good ones. Better tho? Maybe. Arguable
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