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Another Tanev to TO trade

Created by: Rosey
Team: 2018-19 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 5, 2018
Published: Jul. 5, 2018
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2$1,500,000
3$3,350,000
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1$1,100,000
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  1. 2019 3rd round pick (ARI)
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  1. Brown, Connor
  2. 2019 1st round pick (TOR)
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  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,200,000 retained)
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23$79,500,000$60,497,846$852,847$4,762,500$19,002,154
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW
UFA - 1
$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 5
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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UFA - 1
$650,000$650,000
LW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C, LW
UFA - 3
$3,366,666$3,366,666
LW
UFA - 3
$4,375,000$4,375,000
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NTC
UFA - 3
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$1,900,000$1,900,000
LW
UFA - 2
$2,835,000$2,835,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
$1,475,000$1,475,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
$2,100,000$2,100,000
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UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$3,350,000$3,350,000
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$3,666,667$3,666,667
G
UFA - 2
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
UFA - 2
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 3
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$2,650,000$2,650,000
RW
UFA - 1

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Jul. 5, 2018 at 4:45 p.m.
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Way better than the Nylander for Tanev proposals.
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Jul. 5, 2018 at 4:54 p.m.
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Quoting: CanadasTeam88
Way better than the Nylander for Tanev proposals.


Nylander for Tanev is fair. Tanev would instantly be Toronto's best shut down D man.
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Jul. 5, 2018 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Thewhizzzard
Nylander for Tanev is fair. Tanev would instantly be Toronto's best shut down D man.


Stop being such a homer. Tanev can barely stay healthy and even if he is, he will never equal Nylander in a trade.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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Quoting: CanadasTeam88
Stop being such a homer. Tanev can barely stay healthy and even if he is, he will never equal Nylander in a trade.


Tanev is a stud. Trade is fair. You leaf fans over value every player you have.
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Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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I like Brown a lot, but you have to give up a good piece to get a good piece. I don't know if I would want to do this trade but it is fair.
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Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Thewhizzzard
Tanev is a stud. Trade is fair. You leaf fans over value every player you have.


Not even worth talking to you after that statement. You’re the delusional one, not me.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Thewhizzzard
Nylander for Tanev is fair. Tanev would instantly be Toronto's best shut down D man.


Its only fair if you look at it from a perspective that Toronto is desperate for a RHD defenceman, they are far from desperate. The defence they have got them to the playoffs and set a franchise record for wins and points. Nylander is a star and will have a huge career, a way better career than Tanev. You wouldn't be trading Tanev if you believed differently.

So you know the trade isn't fair.

Tanev would instantly become a top pairing guy in TO playing with Reilly, and he'd make Reilly a better player but Reilly is already a great player and is still only 24 or something like that. So he's still got room to grow. Tanev has peaked. Nylander would instantly become one of the two most talented players on Vancouver, right up there with Boeser. (I value Horvat ahead of Nylander though since he's a good centre but its close and Nylander has a lot more skill than Horvat). So essentially the Canucks would be obtaining a world class talent Nylander for a very good defensive defenceman who has past his best seasons. That isn't remotely fair.

Do the Leafs want Tanev, likely yes. Do they want him at any cost? No definitely not. So with that in mind, you need to propose a trade that would look attractive to the Leafs and losing Nylander isn't attractive unless you offer way more than he's worth. He's the best player in the trade, you don't give up the best player in the trade unless you are getting either equal value in players coming back or in assets that will be better in the future. None of this is happening in a Nylander for Tanev trade.

As for the trade above, as much as I like Brown, this trade greatly helps out Toronto and comes at the cost of a very good young depth winger but one that will have trouble getting off the 4th line due to the depth ahead of him. Moving him for Tanev would solidify the defence and at the cost of a middle 6 winger who is on the 4th line in TO.

Here's a question though, would you retain half of Tanev's salary to upgrade the pick to a first?
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Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:12 p.m.
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Its only fair if you look at it from a perspective that Toronto is desperate for a RHD defenceman, they are far from desperate. The defence they have got them to the playoffs and set a franchise record for wins and points. Nylander is a star and will have a huge career, a way better career than Tanev. You wouldn't be trading Tanev if you believed differently.

So you know the trade isn't fair.

Tanev would instantly become a top pairing guy in TO playing with Reilly, and he'd make Reilly a better player but Reilly is already a great player and is still only 24 or something like that. So he's still got room to grow. Tanev has peaked. Nylander would instantly become one of the two most talented players on Vancouver, right up there with Boeser. (I value Horvat ahead of Nylander though since he's a good centre but its close and Nylander has a lot more skill than Horvat). So essentially the Canucks would be obtaining a world class talent Nylander for a very good defensive defenceman who has past his best seasons. That isn't remotely fair.

Do the Leafs want Tanev, likely yes. Do they want him at any cost? No definitely not. So with that in mind, you need to propose a trade that would look attractive to the Leafs and losing Nylander isn't attractive unless you offer way more than he's worth. He's the best player in the trade, you don't give up the best player in the trade unless you are getting either equal value in players coming back or in assets that will be better in the future. None of this is happening in a Nylander for Tanev trade.

As for the trade above, as much as I like Brown, this trade greatly helps out Toronto and comes at the cost of a very good young depth winger but one that will have trouble getting off the 4th line due to the depth ahead of him. Moving him for Tanev would solidify the defence and at the cost of a middle 6 winger who is on the 4th line in TO.

Here's a question though, would you retain half of Tanev's salary to upgrade the pick to a first?
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:13 p.m.
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Yes I would instantly accept half of Tanev's salary for the first.

After thinking about it... sign him to an extension and i will take 1/2 of the extension too! lol (This is a joke people...)
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Its only fair if you look at it from a perspective that Toronto is desperate for a RHD defenceman, they are far from desperate. The defence they have got them to the playoffs and set a franchise record for wins and points. Nylander is a star and will have a huge career, a way better career than Tanev. You wouldn't be trading Tanev if you believed differently.

So you know the trade isn't fair.

Tanev would instantly become a top pairing guy in TO playing with Reilly, and he'd make Reilly a better player but Reilly is already a great player and is still only 24 or something like that. So he's still got room to grow. Tanev has peaked. Nylander would instantly become one of the two most talented players on Vancouver, right up there with Boeser. (I value Horvat ahead of Nylander though since he's a good centre but its close and Nylander has a lot more skill than Horvat). So essentially the Canucks would be obtaining a world class talent Nylander for a very good defensive defenceman who has past his best seasons. That isn't remotely fair.

Do the Leafs want Tanev, likely yes. Do they want him at any cost? No definitely not. So with that in mind, you need to propose a trade that would look attractive to the Leafs and losing Nylander isn't attractive unless you offer way more than he's worth. He's the best player in the trade, you don't give up the best player in the trade unless you are getting either equal value in players coming back or in assets that will be better in the future. None of this is happening in a Nylander for Tanev trade.

As for the trade above, as much as I like Brown, this trade greatly helps out Toronto and comes at the cost of a very good young depth winger but one that will have trouble getting off the 4th line due to the depth ahead of him. Moving him for Tanev would solidify the defence and at the cost of a middle 6 winger who is on the 4th line in TO.

Here's a question though, would you retain half of Tanev's salary to upgrade the pick to a first?


I've maintained that Tanev for a late 2019 1st is probably fair. If the Canucks retained 50% for two years on Tanev's contract then the Leafs would need to add another pick or a prospect.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:19 p.m.
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Might as well retain the other 0.56% of Tanev's contract while we're at it.
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Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
I've maintained that Tanev for a late 2019 1st is probably fair. If the Canucks retained 50% for two years on Tanev's contract then the Leafs would need to add another pick or a prospect.


Which is exactly what the Leafs will have... I dont think they win the SC next year but I see them out of the first round and probably a conference finalist or a tough second round loss. I honestly still think the defense needs more work even with Tanev. Perhaps look at a Trouba for Nylander type deal... After all Winnipeg lost to Vegas because they didnt score so a bit more firepower is definitely what they need as well as someone who could possibly play center with them losing Stasney.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:21 p.m.
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Might as well retain the other 0.56% of Tanev's contract while we're at it.


Dont push me and my math...
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:22 p.m.
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Tanev trade isn't bad, but in what world is Eriksson worth a 3rd?
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:33 p.m.
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Tanev trade isn't bad, but in what world is Eriksson worth a 3rd?


Eriksson is only making 14 M for the next 4 years even though he has a 6 M cap hit. Not saying there is a team out there that'll take him but a trade with a team who only cares about how much a player makes as opposed to their cap hit might be interested in acquiring him.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:35 p.m.
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Eriksson is only making 14 M for the next 4 years even though he has a 6 M cap hit. Not saying there is a team out there that'll take him but a trade with a team who only cares about how much a player makes as opposed to their cap hit might be interested in acquiring him.


He's a cap dump. Even if he did collect some sort of return it wouldn't be a 3rd.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:37 p.m.
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Eriksson is an awesome hockey player who has not worked out in Vancouver. You need average hockey players.

Arizona wants him because his 6 year deal is structured like this:
Year 1 6mil SB 3mil salary
Year 2 6mil SB 3mil salary
Year 3 6mil SB 3mil salary
Year 4 0mil SB 3mil salary
Year 5 0mil SB 3mil salary
Year 6 0mil SB 3mil salary

His 3rd SB is now paid, so you get a player on a 6mil cap hit that will actually cost you 12 mil in salary for 4 years.

If it isnt Arizona wanting him, there are a few teams (Ottawa, Florida, Carolina) that would definitely look favorably at that contract.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:39 p.m.
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He's a cap dump. Even if he did collect some sort of return it wouldn't be a 3rd.


He is way more than a cap dump... he is a legitimate 2nd/3rd liner in the NHL on a favorable contract to some teams wanting to get over the floor without having to actually spend it.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 5:40 p.m.
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Which is exactly what the Leafs will have... I dont think they win the SC next year but I see them out of the first round and probably a conference finalist or a tough second round loss. I honestly still think the defense needs more work even with Tanev. Perhaps look at a Trouba for Nylander type deal... After all Winnipeg lost to Vegas because they didnt score so a bit more firepower is definitely what they need as well as someone who could possibly play center with them losing Stasney.


Why would Toronto sacrifice the scoring Nylander provides then? As for their D needing so much work. That is just empty coming from the Canucks. Edler would have trouble making the Leafs and he's the best defenceman on the team. Tanev would for sure be the 1RHD for the Leafs, but the rest of their d? None of those guys make Toronto, and the Leafs defence is a little better than average in the NHL. Dermott will improve, and there are guys on the Marlies who could likely make a lot of other teams bottom pairings.

With all that said, I still would very much like to see Tanev in Toronto, but its not going to be a home run for the Canucks. They'll get more future assets to help them build a winner. The only way it becomes a big haul is if Vancouver retains Salary, which would be a good move for both teams. TO can afford to add some more future assets and the Canucks can take on the salary for 2 years.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 6:29 p.m.
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At least I could understand the Leaf trade. But that Arizona trade. There are a million ways to spend 6m better than Ericsson.
Jul. 5, 2018 at 6:37 p.m.
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He is way more than a cap dump... he is a legitimate 2nd/3rd liner in the NHL on a favorable contract to some teams wanting to get over the floor without having to actually spend it.


He's a solid 3rd liner on a disgusting contract.
 
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