So explain how its trolling because I disagree with your opinion?

thats a better question for after this season.....? tom Wilson wasn't utilized in a top line role for the majority of his career...till last half of the season and playoffs....time will tell

For me its just a lot of fun to watch the hate just fume out when you hit the Wilson signing with the cold hard truth that this is just irrational emotions.

There are sites that use numbers and literal video showing that the Earth is flat. Coming up with a conclusion and then picking and choosing data to support it does not make it true.

So many caps fans trying to justify his contract only means one thing...deep down they know that it really sucks and is going to hamstring the Capitals come 2019 capital budget review (pun intended). They might have to have a fire sale on the steps of MCI center, or better yet put signs out on some of the players that read "free to a good home".

Where are the stats about what Ovie and Kuznetsov did without Wilson? All this article does is poor through the most positive stats this guy can find about Wilson. It barely talks about his past production other than washing it by saying he wasn't ready for the NHL. And besides that, if you want to say this isn't a bias article than this one is 100% fair and not bias at all.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/7/23/17595564/toronto-maple-leafs-auston-matthews-goals-nhl-debut-elite-nhl-stats-toronto-maple-leafs-analysis

I honestly can't wait to hear what you have to say about this article I just posted. Its going to be amazing.

at this point agree to disagree. none of those guys could defend a Crosby or a top line superstar..... Wilson is better but there no real point in debating this.....none of the guys you named could produce like he did in the playoffs have done that ever......but great point

I bring up the playoffs bc its 5x harder to produce there then in reg season

Bang on, its an emotional signing that happens every time someone wins the Cup. Chicago did that so many times. Marcus Kruger anyone? How about Fernando Pisani.

Cups teams always do that. Pittsburgh did it the past 2 seasons. But at least I'm not biased enough to admit that my team signed Johnson to a awful contract unlike caps fans who think they signed Wilson to a good contract

None of his comparables have ever played with players like Ovie and Kuznetsov but I'll again say this. Wilson is the best 4th line banger in the league, that is not without value. However, the reason he is top line in Washington is not because he's that good but because there is no one else that showed they can have Chemistry with them.

By the way, Crosby vs Wilson is a joke. Crosby skates circles around him and he has about 1000 times the skill. Also Komarov has played a tonne of minutes, against guys like Crosby and Ovie and every other top player in this league and he's been very successful at shutting them down. He's way better than Wilson when it comes to playing defence. Wilson I think likely has a bit more skill but to be honest if he played with Kuznetsov and Ovie, I'd wager he'd put up comparable or better numbers than Wilson and be a far better PK guy and way better defensively at 5v5.

Where are the stats about what Ovie and Kuznetsov did without Wilson? All this article does is poor through the most positive stats this guy can find about Wilson. It barely talks about his past production other than washing it by saying he wasn't ready for the NHL. And besides that, if you want to say this isn't a bias article than this one is 100% fair and not bias at all.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/7/23/17595564/toronto-maple-leafs-auston-matthews-goals-nhl-debut-elite-nhl-stats-toronto-maple-leafs-analysis

I honestly can't wait to hear what you have to say about this article I just posted. Its going to be amazing.[/quote]

Matthews is not a top 5 center............ he's the dry hump of a mcdcvid ...nate mckinon is way better also Sid geno backstrom kuzy kope stammer berg.........

Matthews is not a top 5 center............ he's the dry hump of a mcdcvid ...nate mckinon is way better also Sid geno backstrom kuzy kope stammer berg.........[/quote]

You clearly didn't read this article. LOL

Wilson is probably much better than Matthews, because he scored so many 5v5 points.

could be worse though .....they could have dub.....a stud like panerin on his way out and 0 cups or 1st round victories ......also an all star goalie who chokes

Wilson signing isn't great but better to overpay slightly after winning then to overpay after not winning at all....?


that being said caps where in a similar situation last 2 years ........hopefully you guys can flip him for a huge return

Can you explain why you think people troll all the time? People are going to disagree with you. Thats not trolling, just called having a different opinion

You clearly didn't read this article. LOL

Wilson is probably much better than Matthews, because he scored so many 5v5 points.[/quote]

wilson is not elite and I know that but he's not terrible

you told me Matthews is the best center or top 5 in the nhl......thats just not true.... I'm sorry

Kind of like how your first post was about me? Thats trolling. And yeah when you constantly talk about how good wilson was in the playoffs and you totally disregard his entire career and you cant even handle when someone says something bad about Wilson, then ya I'm going to figuratively say you suck his dick. Im the biggest Crosby fan in the world, but I do not get that insensitive and butthurt when people say something bad about him

wilson is not elite and I know that but he's not terrible

you told me Matthews is the best center or top 5 in the nhl......thats just not true.... I'm sorry[/quote]

I actually didn't say anything about Matthews, I just posted a fan article that lists a bunch of positive stats and makes outrageous claims. You then proceeded to, and this is after you criticized me for apparently not reading the article (I totally read the article), not read the article and instead smash Matthews as a dry hump of McDavid and listed a bunch of guys that are way better.

If you want to know what I think of Matthews I'll tell you. It'll be a rational description where I'll focus on his strengths and weaknesses but I won't be making any claims that he is the best player in the league. I do think he's in same atmosphere as McDavid, not as good but he's definitely also a generational talent and I'd put Matthews a head of any other centres around his age, minus McDavid. But most top hockey analysts say the same thing so I'm not special.

Trolling is when you make insanely ridiculous statements with the entire desire to cause people to get pissed off. Calling Wilson a 4th liner isn't a troll job, its taking a snapshot of his career and placing him exactly where he belongs. Wilson is not more valuable than someone like Zack Hyman, a guy many say should be on the 4th line but has found chemistry with Matthews and therefore gets the sweet gig of riding shotgun. It doesn't make him a top 6 winger, it makes him a bottom 6 winger who has chemistry with top line players. When his contract (2.25 million which should really sting for caps fans but doesn't because they are too emotional about Wilson) is up he may ask for money in the 5+ range and if I am the GM in Toronto, I trade him immediately because I can find a bottom 6 guy who can kill penalties that may or may not have chemistry with my top line for way less than 5+.

These are all reasonable arguments about a contract that not many people outside of Washington are calling anything but extremely overpriced.

So you didn't read it. Because 96th amount of 5v5 points does NOT include the playoffs. That was just from all last regular season, including the time he was in bottom 6. If you include just the last 82 games of the season that does include the playoffs, he ranks 27th in 5v5 points. And LOL to your "refs put the whistles away so his points don't count" haha



Again, Komarov never scored more than 22 5v5 points in a season, ever. That would have ranked him 197th among forwards last season. That's not top 6 production.



Top 5v5 points among Komarov (22), Martin (17), and Clutterbuck (25). So closest is Clutterbuck but outside that 25, in 10 seasons, he never got more than 18. Wilson has hit 18, 20, 32 just in the last 3 seasons. So no, they aren't close to comparbles.



99 games is not a small sample size. And as the article points out, it probably was too big of a gamble to go $5M, but it doesn't mean he can't live up to that contract.



There could be a chance it was a fluke, but on the evidence based in the article, I doubt it. Going to be fun coming back to this convo if Wilson puts up an even better season than last.

This just in: facts are not allowed to make a point. This is truly Trump's America.

no i understand 35 points isn't great but thats not why he got that $$$ it was he's performance the last half of the season and playoffs......ive said this deal isn't really judge able till after this season

if he puts up 35 this year top line minutes then this deal is horrible if he scores 20 goals and 50-60 points it looks 100% good

The only way I'll eat my words, and I'm big enough of a person to admit when I am wrong, is if he scores 20 goals or 50 points next year. He won't because I don't think Ovie will be nearly as dominant as he was last year. He's getting up there and each year his 5v5 play will diminish but he'll score a tonne on the PP for several years yet. So each year Wilson will have to do more than he's done with less help. Its a recipe for disaster and it won't end well. If I am wrong though and Wilson scores 50 points this season, I'll happily admit that I am wrong.

One thing though I think you should move away from is the whole 5v5 point total thing. Its an outlier season, his average will remain around 20 5v5 points a year and he's not good enough to play on the PP and doesn't get points while killing penalties so he isn't an elite penalty killer. He also gives up the most PK opportunities on the team and league if I read that right in your famed article so that is a negative as well.

Here is the point I've always tried to make and this goes far beyond Wilson. The guys who make him appear to be a top 6 winger are Ovie and Kuznetsov, not Wilson. Its the same everywhere. Matt Moulsen got paid big by the Islanders because he scored 40+ off sick passes from Tavares, was Moulsen worth what he got paid? Sure, as long as he was playing with Tavares, the moment he wasn't he struggled to score in the double digits. Wilson has never scored much on his own and needs the right people to make him as effective as he was in the playoffs and also I will say the reffing in the playoffs is garbage. Its both ways, refs let everything go and its not a good thing. Speed and skill make way for size and strength because the refs let clutching and grabbing go in the playoffs. That's why Boston won when they did, Vancouver was a way better team but by the time they got to the finals, the big bad bruins were allowed to do what ever they wanted (The Canucks also did that) and just out muscled the smaller more skilled Canucks.

Don't take that as I think the Capitals are undeserving of their win, they played fantastic and Ovie's performance throughout the playoffs was inspiring. I just think what Wilson did in the playoffs isn't what he will do in the regular season because he'd get penalties or longer suspensions for a lot of the questionable plays he does on a regular basis. What should worry you more than anything is the classic, now that he is getting paid a lot he may feel the need to prove himself, and for a player with his style and skill set, I can see him getting a big suspension for a huge and dirty hit happening very quickly. If that happens or if he starts squeezing the stick at all, all of this will turn really fast.

And that is why every calls it terrible. Because you are literally banking on this player being more than he has ever been in his career! One good streak on a hot playoff run doesn't mean thats what he is. Bet on what he's shown so far, not what you hope he'll be someday.

he was only giving a bottom 6 role 3rd line was the highest ...so yeah he put up those numbers.....

but unlike all the players you named when given a top line role he thrived and didnt look out of place....he did very well.....dsp played on the top line and it caused ovi and kuzy slow their pace down and it wasn't a good mix...

Wilson hopped on that line and produced and made those 2 better so yeah I would bank on that as well......remember Wilson wanted a 2 year deal for less Washington wanted him signed long term bc he is good

youll see

Oh I am sure what I'll see.

And I know I am saying this into a vacuum and you'll not hear it but I'll say it anyways.

The comparable guys I have mentioned, haven't ever played with the calibre of players that Wilson did so they are comparables who just never received such a fortuitous opportunity.