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How the heck are they under the cap?

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 29, 2018
Published: Aug. 29, 2018
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2$1,500,000
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8$7,500,000
8$6,000,000
2$2,250,000
2$700,000
1$1,300,000
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2$1,100,000
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21$79,500,000$71,651,666$0$400,000$7,848,334
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
C
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
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UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
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RW
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RD
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 10:24 a.m.
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I dont' see Kapanen only getting 1.5 million. Also the agents for Marner and Nylander should be fired if they have such a long contract at a low cap hit as that. If they have a serious breakout year they would be long-term bargains leaving alot of money on the table.
Aug. 29, 2018 at 10:27 a.m.
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first Horton will be able to get full 5.3m cap hit relief. with the five % cap escalator the cap. should be 83m minimum or likely 83.7, not 79.5

so with that 21 roster of yours. that's 7m more I believe. two bottom players that's 2m, nylander and Mathews can make more, there is another 2m. might be 3m cap space.
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 10:31 a.m.
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 11:27 a.m.
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Quoting: clark
first Horton will be able to get full 5.3m cap hit relief. with the five % cap escalator the cap. should be 83m minimum or likely 83.7, not 79.5

so with that 21 roster of yours. that's 7m more I believe. two bottom players that's 2m, nylander and Mathews can make more, there is another 2m. might be 3m cap space.


Sort of. That's not really how it works. They can use if and when they need it, and they can only go over doing in by signing one player. The Cap will also not likely go up 5%

in 2015-16 it went up just under 2.25%
in 2016-17 it went up just about 2.70%
in 2017-18 it went up just over 5%

It is highly unlikely the cap jumps another 5%, but, we'll see.

Defense is still atrocious.
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: clark
first Horton will be able to get full 5.3m cap hit relief. with the five % cap escalator the cap. should be 83m minimum or likely 83.7, not 79.5

so with that 21 roster of yours. that's 7m more I believe. two bottom players that's 2m, nylander and Mathews can make more, there is another 2m. might be 3m cap space.


What clark said. Although I agree with Propeller that it might not go up that high..
Aug. 29, 2018 at 12:35 p.m.
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I dont' see Kapanen only getting 1.5 million. Also the agents for Marner and Nylander should be fired if they have such a long contract at a low cap hit as that. If they have a serious breakout year they would be long-term bargains leaving alot of money on the table.


Kapanen and Johnsson I can see getting around 2.25 for 3 years. Nylander will definitely get more then 6 flat. Maybe 6.5 but Marner getting 7.5 is good. Marner doesn't want his full value. He wants to be apart of a winning team and to do that you need superstar calibre players around him.
Aug. 29, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
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Sort of. That's not really how it works. They can use if and when they need it, and they can only go over doing in by signing one player. The Cap will also not likely go up 5%

in 2015-16 it went up just under 2.25%
in 2016-17 it went up just about 2.70%
in 2017-18 it went up just over 5%

It is highly unlikely the cap jumps another 5%, but, we'll see.

Defense is still atrocious.


still atrocious are you sure top 3rd in the league in GAA. one of the highest goal differences in the league. sixth best record in the league. kind of non factual this harping that the leafs defence is that bad. those players might be better that the 2017-18 edition.
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 3:46 p.m.
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still atrocious are you sure top 3rd in the league in GAA. one of the highest goal differences in the league. sixth best record in the league. kind of non factual this harping that the leafs defence is that bad. those players might be better that the 2017-18 edition.


They were 12th in GAA and gave up 4 Goals a game in the playoffs. You can score, no doubt. You were also 4th highest in the league for shots allowed. Everyone on that team with the exception of Dermott is who they are going to be. Hainsey will probably decline.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/team?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=goalsAgainstPerGame
Aug. 29, 2018 at 4:23 p.m.
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They were 12th in GAA and gave up 4 Goals a game in the playoffs. You can score, no doubt. You were also 4th highest in the league for shots allowed. Everyone on that team with the exception of Dermott is who they are going to be. Hainsey will probably decline.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/team?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=goalsAgainstPerGame


you really think reilly is going to decline at age 25. borgman looks like an nhler. Liljegren was the youngest player in the ahl last season and played ever game in the cup winning playoffs. shots agains don't mean them much
a team give up a lot of shots of the when killing a penalty. by your logic it is better if the they gave a goal early, so there wouldn't be as many shots given when killing penalty.

you wrote "you can score". it isn't me, it's the leafs. I just think you're just rehashing old trash, after all the post was for 2019/20.
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 4:50 p.m.
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you really think reilly is going to decline at age 25. borgman looks like an nhler. Liljegren was the youngest player in the ahl last season and played ever game in the cup winning playoffs. shots agains don't mean them much
a team give up a lot of shots of the when killing a penalty. by your logic it is better if the they gave a goal early, so there wouldn't be as many shots given when killing penalty.

you wrote "you can score". it isn't me, it's the leafs. I just think you're just rehashing old trash, after all the post was for 2019/20.
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No, I don't think Rielly will regress, I think he will stay the sameish. Maybe a little better, but probably not a legit top pairing/shutdown guy. I think Liljegren will be good, but it will realistically take a few years for him to become a top pairing guy, as it has/will McAvoy who I think probably has a more more balanced skill set and has a year of experience on him. I love the way Toronto has handled him by the way. They didn't rush him.

The shots given up is usually a pretty good indicator, it's pretty much what the advanced defensive stats are all about. No, it's not the end all be all, but it's generally better to hold your opponent to less shots on net.

Sorry - The leafs can score. My attempted point was - you got Tavares, move a kid (Nylander) for a legit D stud. He's good enough to get something pretty darn good back. Marner is untouchable to me as is Matthews (obviously). As a Bruins fan the leafs would scare me more with a stud D man than another guy who can score. I am not sure the leafs overall production goes up that much adding tavares and subtracting JVR and Bozak. Clearly Tavares is better and it slots Kadri as a 3rd center which could pose some nightmare matchups, but I still see a weakness in the D.

Johnsson and Kapanen could probably pick up the hole that Nylander would leave, but feel like took a step back/stayed the same.
Aug. 29, 2018 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Propeller09
No, I don't think Rielly will regress, I think he will stay the sameish. Maybe a little better, but probably not a legit top pairing/shutdown guy. I think Liljegren will be good, but it will realistically take a few years for him to become a top pairing guy, as it has/will McAvoy who I think probably has a more more balanced skill set and has a year of experience on him. I love the way Toronto has handled him by the way. They didn't rush him.

The shots given up is usually a pretty good indicator, it's pretty much what the advanced defensive stats are all about. No, it's not the end all be all, but it's generally better to hold your opponent to less shots on net.

Sorry - The leafs can score. My attempted point was - you got Tavares, move a kid (Nylander) for a legit D stud. He's good enough to get something pretty darn good back. Marner is untouchable to me as is Matthews (obviously). As a Bruins fan the leafs would scare me more with a stud D man than another guy who can score. I am not sure the leafs overall production goes up that much adding tavares and subtracting JVR and Bozak. Clearly Tavares is better and it slots Kadri as a 3rd center which could pose some nightmare matchups, but I still see a weakness in the D.

Johnsson and Kapanen could probably pick up the hole that Nylander would leave, but feel like took a step back/stayed the same.


Getting rid of Jvr and bozak will help the D immensely, a full season of Dermott and healthy Zaitsev will help a lot too. He was very dominant the first half of the season last year then got hurt then sick and never came back to form. Still improved from a -22 to a +8. Then you have the wild card Ozhiganov who has the potential to be a huge difference maker on our blue line that not only adds skill but some real toughness.

The whole shots analogy doesn’t show how our defense played last year. Leafs were one of the best 1st period teams and played with the lead through a high percentage of time. This caused a lot of perimeter shooting on net.

They were 11th in goals against last year for a reason. I don’t buy into this whole “stud D man”. I think when the season gets going we will be hearing less and less about what Toronto needs to do and more about what other teams need to do to keep up.
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Aug. 29, 2018 at 8:32 p.m.
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I did a projection for 2019-2020 called Opening Night 2019 - $82M Cap which shows how it can be done (I don't know how to direct people with the no. like Laudan). I gave Nylander $6.5M, Kapanen $2M, Johnsson $1.9M and re-signed Carrick (instead of Liljegren) for a 50% raise ($1.95M), so it can be done. Instead of Holl, I traded for Kevin Connauton; the other five d-men were the same as yours. I used an arbitrary figure of $1M for all of the depth players, including the backup goalie. The only player I saved money on over you is I had Oz at $1.333M, which I admit may be optimistic if he plays as well as palhal insists he will.
Aug. 31, 2018 at 2:47 p.m.
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I did a projection for 2019-2020 called Opening Night 2019 - $82M Cap which shows how it can be done (I don't know how to direct people with the no. like Laudan). I gave Nylander $6.5M, Kapanen $2M, Johnsson $1.9M and re-signed Carrick (instead of Liljegren) for a 50% raise ($1.95M), so it can be done. Instead of Holl, I traded for Kevin Connauton; the other five d-men were the same as yours. I used an arbitrary figure of $1M for all of the depth players, including the backup goalie. The only player I saved money on over you is I had Oz at $1.333M, which I admit may be optimistic if he plays as well as palhal insists he will.


Well you know that I’m on board with palhal, it’s a no risk venture that could have some big rewards. I do love his style of play.
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Aug. 31, 2018 at 5:11 p.m.
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I did a projection for 2019-2020 called Opening Night 2019 - $82M Cap which shows how it can be done (I don't know how to direct people with the no. like Laudan).


Which numbers in my thread i linked above are so fatally wrong and why yours are better ? Its preferences and guessing isnt it....
Aug. 31, 2018 at 6:16 p.m.
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Which numbers in my thread i linked above are so fatally wrong and why yours are better ? Its preferences and guessing isnt it....


You misunderstand. I was referring to the fact that somehow, you know how to link to your post (no. 843302) and I can't figure out how to do that, and I have to direct people to my post only by giving the title. I wasn't referring to any of the numbers in that post, only the way you can identify it.
Aug. 31, 2018 at 6:17 p.m.
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You misunderstand. I was referring to the fact that somehow, you know how to link to your post (no. 843302) and I can't figure out how to do that, and I have to direct people to my post only by giving the title. I wasn't referring to any of the numbers in that post, only the way you can identify it.


sry, my bad then....just copy-paste the Https from your bar on the top
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Aug. 31, 2018 at 6:24 p.m.
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sry, my bad then....just copy-paste the Https from your bar on the top


Hey! Thanks a lot!!

See, you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. I really appreciate it.
 
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