bad for the jets. gardiner is a black hole on d and a fa. hyman is a third or fourth line grinder. leivo doesn't hold much value at all. nylander wants over 7 million.

How about Nylander for Trouba. At least make it fair. That offer is insulting

Trouba is a RFA so similar to Gardiner in that he needs a new deal as well next year. He’s gone to arbitration twice already so does he and Winnipeg want to go again? And Gardiner is not actually bad at d like some people say. Sure he’s no elite d man like doughty but over the last 3 seasons Gardiner has 248 more chances for then against according to Corsica which says something about his defence to me. Hyman also may not be a top line guy but very solid 2/3 line complimentary player for sure I’d say. Which is what Copps upside is if he keeps developing I think.

The dealcould use some tweaking but I think there is a deal to be made here

How about this: Leafs buy all the old Winnipeg Jets copyrights from Arizona for $10 million

WPG gets:
sweet 3rd jerseys
Jake Gardiner
Connor Carrick, cleared in the AHL but ready for post-trade deadline depth
1st round pick

TOR gets
Trouba

Not true at all about gardiner his defensive numbers are actually really good both basic and advanced, ufa yup that parts right on. Would think he stays with us and walks at the end of the year.

Trouba is useless to us. He will not sign in Canada. His father can’t enter the country. That is why he is trying to get on an American team.

How is 5 years of nylander min worth 2 years of Trouba Max? How is that fair?

Okay just had to say something on this one because it got passed by. I love it, but didn’t some company buy the old logo?

I think it’s a terrible idea for Leafs to trade for him in the first place but Jets are going to trade him as a long term asset. Wether are not you can sign him isn’t their problem.

I understand that but to the leafs he is a rental, that’s why he will go to an American team.

The NHL actually took over as owner of the old Jets logo in 1999 US Trademark registry

I don't know why in 1999 instead of 1996. fwiw Winnipeg does not own the Thrashers' logo, the NHL does.
Whatever the reason, Toronto might be able to sway the other owners to release the Jets logo to Winnipeg

Gardiner is a one year rental. Trouba is a two year rental. Hyman has three years left. Gardiner and Trouba cancel eachother out for one year. So Trouba for that extra year cost the Leafs 3 years of Hyman.
Don't know Jets fan would really object plus they get some cap relief next year. Now I can understand why the Jets and the Leafs don't make the deal, but deal just might be quite fair.

gardiner is garbage on d watch him play.
trouba is 5 times the d gardiner ever will be. if it was for sure that trouba signs an extension with leafs nylander for trouba is pretty fair value wise.
hyman is useless to the jets they have plenty of 3rd line wingers.

The very last team Trouba would sign for is Toronto, A team he grew up hating as a Wings fan. Trouba probably signs with either Detroit, Florida or Tampa.

How in the world are you getting Trouba and Copp for those 3 plugs

You clearly don’t know hockey. Gardiner is quite sound defensively actually. He is arguably the best 5 on 5 defender on the leafs. He has blemishes in 2 on 1 situations and 3 on 1 situations. Sure that’s a big part of defence (not as big as 5 v 5), but he makes up for all of that by putting up 50 + points. Gardiner is not a top 2 dman he never will be, but he is an above average top 4 dman in mine and many others opinions.

ok your the expert then. do yo watch leafs games he is a nightmare on defense. if he is the leafs best defender they are in trouble. putting up 50 points on the leafs really not a big deal they are a very offensively gifted team. since he is the leafs best defender and puts up 50 plus points a year he should be considered your number 1 d and a top twenty d guy in the nhl. his next contract should be around 8-10 million a year also right.

I’m glad to see my idea creating so much dialogue.
Jake Gardiner is not a top pair d man, we all know this, but he is a good #2 for a number of reason. He plays the PP, has great 5v5 numbers and has puck moving abilities. That package is a desirable asset that any team would love to add. Gardiner is the perfect case of eye test vs analytics I think because his defensive lapses are so bold and easy for everyone to remember but his analytics side says he’s a very good defender. Over the past three seasons he has a positive goal differential of 26 which ranks 23 among d men that have played minimum 1000min. That’s right behind John Carlson and ahead of Roman josi, Colton payarko and Dustin byfuglien. That’s some pretty good company if you ask me and all guys people would consider top pair d men. It’s easy to pile on Gardiner because of his defensive lapses and he plays for the leafs but his numbers suggest he is a very good d man and as such would have lots of value

You clearly didn’t read what I wrote. I never said he was even close to number 1 dman. He is a great top four point producer that is sound in 5 on 5 situations. As @Driedger18 said, he is a great puck moving defensive man that analytically is a good defender. Also in the faster modern game, if a defender is able to leave the zone with possession and enter with it the team has a much higher chance of scoring. In the end that’s all hockey is right? Scoring more goals than the other team? If Gardiner can help a team do that then he is valuable not top 20 in the league or top 2 pairing valuable but is valuable.