I like these trades but idk f the Leafs would be interested in the EDM trade

At the moment we don't even have the cap space to sign Kempe next season, never mind Nylander. How does that trade make any sense for us?

I wasn't taking camp into considersation. Maybe add in Phaneuf or another cap dump for you to be able to sign him.

1. LA straight up can't accept that trade to begin with, as stated above
2. Overpayment for Pesce imo
3. Closer to being balanced than the other 3, though I'm not sure Oilers take it given the quantity of prospects
4. Just no. Stop.

The first one wasn''t taking cap in consideration as I said before why not give Toronto a cap dump to be able to spend the money
2. it's what it takes to get him from Carolina its a rhd
3. ok, but they need a winger so it makes it worth the trade
4. thats what it costs to get a top RHD

Forbort, Lewis and Clifford are already out the door for us next season likely, with Blake also reportedly being 'open' to trading Carter if the price is right, so I don't think the dump would have to be as extreme as Phaneuf.

I'd only accept trade Pesce if you swap Marincin to Liljegren. Pesce has one of the best contracts in cost and benefits of the league. To trade him, Carolina would have to get a no-brainer offer. That's not the case here to me.

I like St. Louis trade. But if I were their GM, I wouldn't trade Pietrangelo. He's one of the best all around d-man of the league. Parayko would be the one I'd accept your offer.

The Oilers trade makes no sense to Toronto. It wouldn't solve their D problem. At least right now. And they need and want to solve right now. So...

I don't like the Kings trade either for the same reason.

well what is the problem with cap then you wouldn't have to sign him right away

The only way CAR gets Nylander is if you add to the deal. If your GM wanted him, its Pesce + for Nylander, not the other way around.

well you are also getting Offence you've needed in a trade for Carolina. But you want is really just straight overkill.
I don't see a problem with the Edmonton deal simply because I don't see a problem with the Defense in Toronto
and same reason for the LA one you get Kempe so you can get a better Left Side when Right is really good and Clague is a future key guy you can use when you have a bunch of D prospects about ready.

Toronto needs pesce more than Carolina needs Nylander, but neither one needs the other desperately

I'm a Pens fan, not Carolina's. So, I'm being impartial here. If Toronto don't accept my counter proposal, then I'd quit. And you Toronto's fans know that you can't get a better offer to Nylander than one involving Pesce. Carolina is on a better situation in this negotiation, cause the "bomb" is in Toronto. They are the on desperate to trade Nylander. Carolina is far from willing to trade Pesce. That's something really important in ANY negotiation.

Maybe short term, but not really after that. Also, if you ever get time, dive into Nylander's stats. He is a much better player than most people seem to realise (him and Marner are very similar in skill). So value wise separated from needs and outside influences (like stupid GM's) CAR needs to add more. Furthermore I cannot fathom any GM making a trade like this, even 1-for-1 after Hall for Larsson, unless it is a guarantee to be a remake of Jones for Johansen.

I agree with the first part of your statement. But you're 50% right about the second one. Toronto are not desperate to trade Nylander RIGHT NOW. But they won't be that position for much more time. And that's Carolina advantage in this negotiation. They don't need to be hasty. If I were Carolina's GM, I'd wait till the last moment to negotiate with Toronto. If Leafs trade him before, so what? Carolina will move on without any regrets. That's for sure.

And why are we desperate to trade Nylander? You seem to not understand our position.
In terms of cap, we can easily fit everyone in if we let Gards walk, and Nylander has zero leverage as this drags on (especially with how the Leafs are playing).

I do know his stats. 61 points in 82 games. You also forget the fact that Pesce is solid defense AND good offense on the right side which is where you lack any bit even tho I don't you guys having any problems you guys dont need as much defense as you think when you guys can just literally outscore any opponent.

well her's the diffence you mistake Slavin value and Pesce value. I offered an overpay honestly but you want Slavin overpayment and it just won't happen.

I am talking advanced stats other than points but even then, points shows that they are not far apart.

Well, if you swap the 3rd for a conditional 2019 2nd (if Toronto reaches the East Finals, then Carolina gets a 2019 1st), then I could accept your offer.

still overpayment

I mean toronto fans think he isn't worth it and think Nylander is worth way more, but if it gets you a solid #1 RHD then I would take it,

I imagine the criteria for the Leafs to consider any possible deal would be finding a RHD defenseman that could step in immediately and make an impact. So, automatically that would cancel the Edmonton and LA scenarios. Definite overpayment for Brett Pesce and I am sure the Leafs would want some form of relatively long-term control over any player they bring in. Although it would be wonderful to have Alex Pietrangelo, I cannot see the Leafs selling off so much of their futures for only 2 years guaranteed of him and I can't see the Blues willing to shop their captain. The most ideal of scenarios is working out a deal with Edmonton that would include Evan Bouchard. Not only is he on an ELC deal, but he would be exempt from any Seattle expansion draft. Of course, dealing with Edmonton would require the Leafs to take back some contracts.

Well, so you're telling me that your team could re-sign Nylander, Marner, Kapanen and Matthews? Or even Nylander, Marner and Matthews? All do this without have any problems to improve the D? Pls, tell me how...

Q: Can we fit everyone with Nylander at 6.5?
A:
Yes, and it is not even close. I will even go a touch high on the depth.
Forwards: $60 000 000 (<-- I swear that was an not on purpose lol, also did it totally by memory YAY!)
Hyman(2.25)-Tavares(11)-Marner(8)
Marleau(6.25)-Matthews(11)-Kapanen(3)
Nylander(6.5)-Kadri(4.5)-Brown(2.1)
Johnsson(1.5)-Lindholm(1.5)-Grundstrom(0.925)
Leivo(0.800)-Goat(0.675)

Defence: $14 607 499
Rielly(5)-Dermott(0.863,333)
Ohziganov(1.5)-Zaitzev(4.5)
Borgman(0.925)-Liljegren(0.894,166)
Rosen(0.925)

Goalies: $5 800 000
Andersen(5)
Sparks(0.800)

Total = $80 407 499
Salary cap = $82 500 000 (BoG says 81.5 with no inflation and NHLPA says 1.25% inflation, which is 82.5)

But fair enough, anyway. It's the point when a team have a clear negotiation advantage on the other. If Toronto wants Pesce badly, they'll have to overpay more than they want to. That would be my position as Carolina's GM.