Kap Tanev TDL

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$79,500,000	$80,497,778	$2,550,000	$5,400,000	-$997,778

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Marleau, Patrick $6,250,000$6,250,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 2	Matthews, Auston $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C UFA - 1	Nylander, William $10,277,778$10,277,778 RW UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 3	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 7	Marner, Mitchell $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas $787,500$787,500 LW, RW UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Brown, Connor $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Lindholm, Pär $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, C UFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 2
		Ennis, Tyler $650,000$650,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 4	Tanev, Christopher $4,450,000$4,450,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 3
Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD UFA - 1	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 6	Hutchinson, Michael $1,300,000$1,300,000 G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 2	Hainsey, Ron $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Sparks, Garret $675,000$675,000 G UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1	Ozhiganov, Igor $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1
	Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 2

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:24 p.m.

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I feel like we'd even add Goldobin to this trade.

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Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:28 p.m.

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I feel like we'd even add Goldobin to this trade.

So its a done deal?? Please! Tanev would be amazing for Leafs (he is great and moves the puck well) and Kapanen would be Horvat's RW. What if it is one for one Kappy for Tanev?

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:29 p.m.

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This is a huge overpay. Tanev has fallen off a cliff and is always injured. I can never understand why people over value him so much.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:31 p.m.

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This is a huge overpay. Tanev has fallen off a cliff and is always injured. I can never understand why people over value him so much.

He is one of the better shutdown stay at home defenders and moves the puck well. He would be really good in Leafs uniform. Tanev at 2.25? Cmon everybody would take it.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.

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He is one of the better shutdown stay at home defenders and moves the puck well. He would be really good in Leafs uniform. Tanev at 2.25? Cmon everybody would take it.

dude. his ADV stats have fallen of a cliff, as have his normal stats. He cant skate, shut down lines, move the puck or anything any more. That and he is always injured. You aren't getting the player you think they are.
Here: https://theathletic.com/714351/2018/12/14/chris-tanevs-rapidly-declining-play-introduces-another-asset-management-dilemma-for-canucks/

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:33 p.m.

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So its a done deal?? Please! Tanev would be amazing for Leafs (he is great and moves the puck well) and Kapanen would be Horvat's RW. What if it is one for one Kappy for Tanev?

I think one for one Tavenv for Kapanen is fair but if Vancouver is going to retain salary which would benefit the leafs greatly I think they would want to get a pick in return.

If they added Goldobin they would probably want at least another pick. Probably better off moving Goldobin in a seperate deal as I think the leafs would also prefer a more defensively reliable or energy forward for the playoffs.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:38 p.m.

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This is a huge overpay. Tanev has fallen off a cliff and is always injured. I can never understand why people over value him so much.

I disagree that it is a huge overpay but I think you could get Tanev for a different package. Throw a 2nd and Bracco and I think the Canucks would still retain half the salary. As for your statement of Tanev falling off a cliff, that is entirely not true, he's about as consistent as they come. Yeah he gets banged up from time to time but that happens to physical shut down guys at times. He's not had many repeat injuries which is generally the sign of a injury prone guy. Like when Gaborik missed time every year because of a sports hernia issue.

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Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.

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I disagree that it is a huge overpay but I think you could get Tanev for a different package. Throw a 2nd and Bracco and I think the Canucks would still retain half the salary. As for your statement of Tanev falling off a cliff, that is entirely not true, he's about as consistent as they come. Yeah he gets banged up from time to time but that happens to physical shut down guys at times. He's not had many repeat injuries which is generally the sign of a injury prone guy. Like when Gaborik missed time every year because of a sports hernia issue.

Look at the stats. He cannot prevent shots anymore, which is the #1 reason the Leafs would want him. He HAS fallen off a cliff. GMs have recognized this. Izerman offered dotchin for Tanev 1-for-1, the Leafs offered a similar package. He is worth nothing

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.

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This is a huge overpay. Tanev has fallen off a cliff and is always injured. I can never understand why people over value him so much.

This. Why trade for a player who is injury prone; we've run into this before with players like Lupul and Robidas ect...why continue down this path.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.

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dude. his ADV stats have fallen of a cliff, as have his normal stats. He cant skate, shut down lines, move the puck or anything any more. That and he is always injured. You aren't getting the player you think they are.
Here: https://theathletic.com/714351/2018/12/14/chris-tanevs-rapidly-declining-play-introduces-another-asset-management-dilemma-for-canucks/

Athletic doesn't really understand the whole picture. They use advanced stats in a team game to single out players who are falling victim to a terrible team. Vancouver sucks defensively, that'll hurt anyones advance stats.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:41 p.m.

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dude. his ADV stats have fallen of a cliff, as have his normal stats. He cant skate, shut down lines, move the puck or anything any more. That and he is always injured. You aren't getting the player you think they are.
Here: https://theathletic.com/714351/2018/12/14/chris-tanevs-rapidly-declining-play-introduces-another-asset-management-dilemma-for-canucks/

He definitely has struggled at times this year but his recent play has been much better. It's only a 2 year commitment at $2.25M and if he is healthy he can eat up valuable minutes in the playoffs especially. The leafs will not win with Hainesy and Zaitsev having to eat the minutes on the right side all playoffs. Perhaps playing with more skilled players and a stronger system benefits Tanev in transition and breakouts. Dmen do not come cheap and as nice as it would be to get someone like Pesce from Carolina the price will be substantially higher.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:46 p.m.

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Quoting: LoganOllivier

Athletic doesn't really understand the whole picture. They use advanced stats in a team game to single out players who are falling victim to a terrible team. Vancouver sucks defensively, that'll hurt anyones advance stats.

He was fine on bad van teams before. This year and the end of last he was starting to fall, this year he has totally fallen off. Read the damn thing before you say they don't know what they are talking about.
Also ADV stats normalize to account for individual contributions.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 1:48 p.m.

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He definitely has struggled at times this year but his recent play has been much better. It's only a 2 year commitment at $2.25M and if he is healthy he can eat up valuable minutes in the playoffs especially. The leafs will not win with Hainesy and Zaitsev having to eat the minutes on the right side all playoffs. Perhaps playing with more skilled players and a stronger system benefits Tanev in transition and breakouts. Dmen do not come cheap and as nice as it would be to get someone like Pesce from Carolina the price will be substantially higher.

I'd be fine getting Tanev.
Not for anything near this value.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:01 p.m.

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I'd be fine getting Tanev.
Not for anything near this value.

Top pairing right hand defensemen are not cheap. Why would Vancouver trade him if it was anything less than this?

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Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.

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Quoting: LoganOllivier

I disagree that it is a huge overpay but I think you could get Tanev for a different package. Throw a 2nd and Bracco and I think the Canucks would still retain half the salary. As for your statement of Tanev falling off a cliff, that is entirely not true, he's about as consistent as they come. Yeah he gets banged up from time to time but that happens to physical shut down guys at times. He's not had many repeat injuries which is generally the sign of a injury prone guy. Like when Gaborik missed time every year because of a sports hernia issue.

If its going to be Bracco + then you need to make that pick a 1st for retention. Kap is a Proven NHLer something the canucks need, not another AHL guy.

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Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:10 p.m.

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Top pairing right hand defensemen are not cheap. Why would Vancouver trade him if it was anything less than this?

He is not a top pair guy anymore. Yzerman offered dotchin for Tanev 1 for 1 and the leafs offered a similar deal. No one thinks he has any value.

Why?

His stats have fallen. Both normal and adv. He is not the player people think he is anymore. He can't skate, is always injured, can't suppress shots, can't stop entries, can't exit etc.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:21 p.m.

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He is not a top pair guy anymore. Yzerman offered dotchin for Tanev 1 for 1 and the leafs offered a similar deal. No one thinks he has any value.

Why?

His stats have fallen. Both normal and adv. He is not the player people think he is anymore. He can't skate, is always injured, can't suppress shots, can't stop entries, can't exit etc.

Would you take it if we added Goldobin?

Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:22 p.m.

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So its a done deal?? Please! Tanev would be amazing for Leafs (he is great and moves the puck well) and Kapanen would be Horvat's RW. What if it is one for one Kappy for Tanev?

Absolutely. There's no way that the Canucks turn that down. In fact, if you send us Zaitsev, Kapanen, and a lower pick we'd take it.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.

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Look at the stats. He cannot prevent shots anymore, which is the #1 reason the Leafs would want him. He HAS fallen off a cliff. GMs have recognized this. Izerman offered dotchin for Tanev 1-for-1, the Leafs offered a similar package. He is worth nothing

Vancouver can't prevent shots, that isn't something one guy can change. Preventing shots is a team swarming in the defensive zone thing. It isn't one player makes it impossible for people to shoot. And shots against as a metric in determining defensive prowess is just wrong. All shots are not equal, otherwise TO wouldn't be in the top 5 in goals against.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:42 p.m.

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If its going to be Bracco + then you need to make that pick a 1st for retention. Kap is a Proven NHLer something the canucks need, not another AHL guy.

If that is the case I'd happily keep Bracco and use him next season and make the trade Kapanen for Tanev at half value.

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Jan. 11, 2019 at 2:57 p.m.

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He is not a top pair guy anymore. Yzerman offered dotchin for Tanev 1 for 1 and the leafs offered a similar deal. No one thinks he has any value.

Why?

His stats have fallen. Both normal and adv. He is not the player people think he is anymore. He can't skate, is always injured, can't suppress shots, can't stop entries, can't exit etc.

He is a top pairing RHD for Vancouver. Vancouver also didn't accept those deals. He obviously has value for Vancouver. So once again, why would Vancouver trade THEIR top pairing RHD for anything less?

You make it seem like these guys grow on trees.

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Would you take it if we added Goldobin?

Don't know enough about him to really say, so I'll just stick with what I know and keep Kappy.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 3:06 p.m.

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Vancouver can't prevent shots, that isn't something one guy can change. Preventing shots is a team swarming in the defensive zone thing. It isn't one player makes it impossible for people to shoot. And shots against as a metric in determining defensive prowess is just wrong. All shots are not equal, otherwise TO wouldn't be in the top 5 in goals against.

Shot suppression is an adv stat that normalizes to isolate an individual players contribution towards shot suppression. Tanev cannot suppress shots as well as last year, which was a huge fall off from the rest of his career on its own.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.

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He is a top pairing RHD for Vancouver. Vancouver also didn't accept those deals. He obviously has value for Vancouver. So once again, why would Vancouver trade THEIR top pairing RHD for anything less?

You make it seem like these guys grow on trees.

I think the fact that other GM's think he is worth nothing is why Benning re-signed him instead of trading last year. There are players around the league who are more valuable on their team then their trade value would bring back, so they aren't moved. You are right that van would not want to trade him for what is offered, problem is they won't get many offers that are much better than those offers. So he will die a Canuck.

Jan. 11, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.

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Quoting: LoganOllivier

If that is the case I'd happily keep Bracco and use him next season and make the trade Kapanen for Tanev at half value.

Good chance the leafs would rather keep Bracco if they think he will be NHL ready next year too just for salary cap reasons. Not that they wouldn't love to keep Kapanen

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