Blues say no. Nylander is overpaid and not good. Kapanen, Liljegren, 1st, and Zaitsev for Pietrangelo otherwise this deal won't happen. Blues don't want an overpaid player in Nylander.

I am a huge Leaf fan, Nylander sucks, at 10M and next year 6.5M for a crap player, and Pietrangelo, a 1st line D, the Blues say hell not

I am a huge Pietrangelo fan. 0% chance I trade Nylander for him straight up unless AP is coming with a 5yr extension at no raise

Really? I'd take Nylander for Petro in a heartbeat if we're falling out of the race in the next couple of weeks. 6.96m is not gonna be an overpay for Nylander's age 22-27 years. I think you're using a tiny sample size to judge a player who has otherwise been very good offensively. Even during his scoring slump, he was doing all of the things that make him a good player. Much better to get a new core piece than Kapanen (overperforming), Liljegren (hard to project), and a 1st (probably 23rd-31st).

Lots of opinions here lol

I will take the second deal in a heartbeat. Then I beg Alex to sign the extension. Kap Is overrated he has speed the min he goes up against top players he be another Tyler bozak.

10M, but we are only 4 points out of playoffs. I would much rather get futures for him than Nylander. Nylander is overrated at this stage. Their are others I would choose over him.

I think the fact Kapanen would help us in the manner of Speed makes it even more worth the while.

The thing is that Leafs would not trade Nylander. They wouldnt.. deal with it however you can. They arent dealing Nylander. Stop it.. Nylander is not traded just like Parayko is not going to be dealt. Both for different reasons. Parayko is main piece on D for future of Blues and Nylanders value is low at the time and when his value is back up he would be great. BUT they might trade for Pietrangelo. As @BeastModeUnknown said. That is the value and Leafs would do that as well..

Knee-jerking is a pre requisite in most Leaf fan clubs.

Nylander slumping + need for RHD means many are happy to hand-gift him to St. Louis.

So we're close to the playoffs, but you want futures... kinda a weird take.

He's not making $10m, it just looks like that because he got paid a full year's pay for 2/3rd of the season.

I find it pretty funny that a few months ago, there were solid arguments about how Nylander and Marner were very close in value. Then the guy gets tossed back into the NHL and treads water and all the sudden he's overrated. Meanwhile the other guy plays with John Tavares for half a season and people are ready to pay him 12 million dollars a year! Surely there are better ways to determine a player's value than the flavor of the month.

the world works on what have you done for me lately and Nylander hasn't done much and Marner has. Wait till Marner goes into a slump and Nylander starts scoring then it will be Marner for Parayko straight up. Its the world we live in and the media that uses these players for there own benefits(a paycheque) lol

I'll accept any lashings that come my way for this...but I'll argue that Marner has contributed more to Tavares' success than the other way around.

Last season Marner started the season with bozak and JVR....JVR ends up with a career high in goals and Marner gets relegated to the 4th line with Matt Martin. January 2018 he gets promoted to a line with Kadri...a guy who tallied 0 points in December and had 19g, 13a after the switch.

Tavares...who has never topped 38 goals...has 30 already this season just past the half way point.

IMO Marner has been a runaway train as far as separating himself from Nylander since Jan 2018.

That being said...Nylander hasn't gone from being a 60+ point top pairing winger to "overpaid and not good". At a $6.5m AAV everyone in the offseason would have thought that was a big win for the Leafs. So what..his cap hit is $500k higher...get over it and stop trading him away for short sighted returns.

Anyone who draws conclusions based on a 20 game window...when the guy missed camp and 2 months of the season...and quickly ignore the previous 3 previous seasons when you were happy to lock him up for $6.5m needs to give their head a shake

The thing is Next Season NYLANDER is 10M+ which scratches out the getting a Goalie idea. I have always said I don't like Nylander never have. He is overpaid. Once we do this trade it will be during Off-season. It's going to be a 10M contract he out of everyone isn't worth that contract. I think if Pietrangelo is gone it is going to be for a person who has overrated Points stats. I would be more satified with getting Kapanen. Because it is this next Off-Season that I feel this trade will be in.

Basically you're saying...become a slave to media hype and impatience and mortgage the future to satisfy today's cravings.

As fans we have the right to hoot and holler based on the most recent game's performance....but you better hope the GM of your team has a little more foresight than 'what have you done for me lately'

The next part of his contract is well over 10M.

Nylander's cap hit drops to $6,962,366 as of July 1st, 2019. He'll also get paid an $8.3m bonus that day. Acquiring him on July 2nd would mean a cap hit of $6,962,366 but only paying him a salary of $700k

Next season and the 4 after that Nylander is 6.96m. No one in their right mind would pay him 10m per year. It's only this year, his cap hit is high because he signed later on (it actually makes his AAV less for the rest of the deal).

You talking salary/bonus paid or cap hit?

As of July 2nd...Nylander will carry a cap hit of $6,962,366 for the final 5 years of his contact....in actual funds...he'll be owed just $24.7m between July 2nd and the end of his deal...which averages out to $4.94m a year over the 5 remaining years.

If he pots in 9 goals and 12 assists over the final 33 games (not unrealistic if the his game continues to progress the way he's shows the last few games)...all the haters on here will be trying to trade for him to 'help out' Toronto's cap situation.

both. if we are talking tdl. thats a huge bonus to pay

yes im referring to the fans and the ACGM on the site that now want to trade him.

the media started the Piterangelo deal and then they say Muzzin and we rush here and create teams with the players on the team. I don't think Dubus does what we do.

Ya...agreed...it's completely unrealistic for a team to acquire...or for the Leafs to trade Nylander this season. Acquiring teams have to take a big AAV on this year's cap for it to work...and the leafs basically would have gone through all the drama and negotiating to simply give up on the guy after 3 months of play.

That doesn't make him worthless tho...just makes a trade by this TDL completely unrealistic, IMO.

It's fine if you never liked him that much and don't want him included in a deal for Pietrangelo...that's an opinion you are completely entitled to. Leaf fans react similarly if Vancouver tries to fleece us in a deal for Tanev...or recently Edmonton trying to pawn Russel off on us...

My only argument is that...anyone who is judging his entire worth on what's gone down the last 2 months isn't taking a fair assessment of the entire situation.

Don't know if it's true or not...but Media leaked that St. Louis was pitching Pietrangelo + for Nylander before he re-signed and the leafs turned it down.

It's really not rocket science what we, as fans, do on here..nor what hockey analysts do on the air....assess what holes competing teams have....look at what teams are not competing this year, and from that group determine who has the ability to fill those holes with players who are near the end of their deals or might not be considered part of their future any more.

That's why 90% of the leaf ACGM teams on here have Pietrangelo or someone from Carolina's back end getting traded here.