Six million seems to be the magic number. Either a Marleau retirement or net loss in cap space via trade. (I like the Marleau retirement better than trading Nylander).

So do I... I also like zaitsev and brown being moved to make that space if possible. I think nylander being moved would be option 3 or 4...

What I do know is dubas has some sort of plan. As soon as he knew Matthews number he immediately added 4m to next years cap. Maybe he plans to bridge marner... I really don’t know. Just too many options and variables.

You first mistake is believing Dumass has a plan. This is why Lou Lam left. Hunter should have been named GM.

If you think dubas single handedly pulls all the strings and answers to no one you are delirious. If you think he traded for muzzin once he knew Matthews number without a plan you make even less sense.

Last time the Leafs had a weaselly young GM with no real hockey knowledge, other than being a pencil pusher, his name was JFJ and he left quite a legacy behind him. He too followed (forced out the door) a living Legend (Pat Quinn) just like Dumass replaced Lou Lam.

Marleau has played in the NHL going on 21 seasons. He's never won a cup. This is probably his best chance ever to win.
There is no way in hell he's retiring. Especially if they don't win it this year.

Marleau signed that contract after his 35th birthday. So unless I am mistaken there is no cap relief if he retires. I think according to the CBA the only way the Leafs get out from under that contract is trade or LTIR.

Dumas and the total Leaf executive and MLSE has a plan. Multi billion dollar companies have a plan. OK, I can understand if you don't like Dumas but to think he has total reigns of the Leafs is foolish. Hunter has a GM? C'mon he was a scout, with less experience as an pro executive than Dumas. When he was available (and still is), did any other team hire him as GM?

As you can see I traded marleau’s contract. His signing bonus gets paid on July first and he is only owed 1.25m. Although if he retires I’m not sure he is owed any real money at all. But I guess if leafs want out of the contract maybe they agree to pay his bonus and then let him retire as an incentive.



I actually agree with you. This was a rumour floating around that maybe there was already an agreement in place with marleau. The way it fits our cap with the acquisition of muzzin is a bit suspicious. There is a plan to cut roughly 6m in cap moving forward next season. I think the more likely scenario is zaitsev and brown being moved.

The last time the Leafs had an young inexperience book nerd his name was JFJ and we all saw how that ended. In fact JFJ pushed the living legend Pat Quinn out the door the same as Dumass replaced another living legend, Lou Lam. If Lou Lam was in charge of these young guns salaries we all know he'd get them done cheaper and quicker. Watch next summer when Tor and NYI have to sign a bunch of key players, Dumass vs. Lou, who wins.

And haha I got you calling him Dumass too, did you forget it's Dubas?

lol

Marleau got he NMC so that he wouldn't get dumped to a team like Arizona. And you assume a lot to think that he actually wants to retire. He would have to want to do a big favor to waive his NMC to go to a team that can afford his cap hit. Even if he retired after his signing bonus, that cap hit still remains. If Toronto pays that signing bonus before trading him, they hold the cap hit. That was the entire purpose of the 35+ contract stipulation in the CBA, so that teams couldn't stupidly overpay an old guy, front load it, then get them to retire and have the cap hit vanish.

I think if you read any of my posts or looked at my agm you would have noticed that marleau is retired, bonus paid and traded.

You would have also noticed that I don’t believe this is a likely scenario. Personally I don’t see why marleau would retire. It has been speculated that there may be an agreement in place due to Dubas’s recent move. You plug in This marleau move and it fits like a glove. That is all I was checking.

I like every other person who isn’t part of leafs management do not know what the plan is.

The point, which you are missing, is what does it help if Toronto pays his bonus because they will still be on the hook for the majority of this cap hit for the year. The point of moving him is not to open a roster spot, but to get rid on the cap hit, yet the way that his contract is does not allow for Toronto get off of the hook that way. Whether you think it will happen or not is irrelevant because if it happens or not it doesn't help. It is a moot point.

IF and only if Marleau decides to retire his cap is an easy trade after July 1. Very similar to Datsyuk who Detroit traded to Arizona and his 7m cap hit for one year...but no money is paid. So it is possible for the Leafs to get rid of the 6.25m cap with a sweetener paid. The only reason that Marleau would retire is if he believes his play is not up to NHL standards. And this year IMO his play has taken a big decline from last year.

Leafs can pay his bonus and move his entire cap hit. I think you are confused on how salary caps are calculated.

With Marner's play lately everybody is guessing he'll receive the 10 + million his agent has been quoted at, I was also incline to agree, but I think I'll go back to my old number I was suggesting, 9'300'000, for it's less than Kucherov, who is clearly a little better and 93 was Marner's old OHL jersey #. Seems fair on a 5-6 year deal, probably 6 since there's no way in hell the Leafs wants all 3 young guns hit UFA at the same summer.

You're funny.

I am, thanks for noticing... but I’m also correct.

Nope