Lucic, even at 4.8m, for 4 additional years would instantly be our worst contract. You'd have to pay to get a team to take that.

Who cares if Schenn is "massively overrated"... what does that even mean? You say you think his contract is fair and he can put up 50-60 pts and play center... You're saying because he might get a big payday after next year that he doesn't have any value...

If you call RNH a first line center than you can easily call Parayko a top pair defensemen. (FWIW Corsica player rater has Nuge as the 48th-best center, Parayko as the 18th-best RD... Schenn is the 39th-best center ). Parayko has the better contract; trading him for Nuge would have the Oilers adding, and I bet most Oilers fans would agree.

You're blabbering about how centers are super valuable but you completely neglect Schenn's value... wtf is that.

Take the L, this is a garbage discussion.

How many times has it been noted that Schenn has played wing and it was mentioned he's back to playing wing even for the Blues who are notorious for never having centers.

That's still called a CAP CRUNCH 1.6M...lol.

He has been playing Winger right now, but that's because Perron is injured then he is moving back to Center. HE PLAYS BOTH POSITIONS.

Just stop. He put up 70 pts playing center last year. He has played wing for like 8 games, and it probably wouldn't have been that long except we've won them all so we're not changing the lineup. He moved up to the ROR line when Perron got hurt. When Perron comes back, we'll have to decide which 4 guys will play center out of ROR-Schenn-Bozak-Thomas-Sundqvist-Barbashev... the notoriety of never having centers kinda died when we traded for a 2nd line center, drafted a top center prospect, signed a 3rd line center, and then traded for a top line center.

It's not if they were able to take on a luxury in upgrading their backup goalie. They already upgraded defense and they could still upgrade their forwards or defense with another trade.

It's not a good trade no matter how you slice it.

Parayko has more trade value than RNH

I don't know how you can pass of RNH as a #1 C at this point. Almost half of his production has come when paired as McDavid's winger,

This season he has 17g and 35a. Of those...5 goals and 16 assists came on the PP where he was winger, usually with McDavid and Draisaitl.

7 of his 17 goals came off assists from McDavid...and 16 of this 35 assists on the year came on McDavid goals or assists.

So basically 40-45% of his entire production comes from playing winger to McDavid.

To put it in perspective...as a second line centre...he puts up lower numbers than Nazem Kadri. How would you feel if a leaf ACGM made a Kadri for Parayko deal?

Lucic has negative value even at $4.8m..the remaining 4 years owed to a 30yr old player that doesn't produce anymore is not an asset any team would want to acquire without a sweetener attached to it.

Parayko is 25 and signed to a very team friendly contract. At 6'6" and shooting with his right hand...with about 30pt production and strong advanced analytics...he's a highly coveted asset...especially in St. Louis where it's likely Pietrangelo is either traded or not re-signed after next season.

Oh...and then you're tossing Schenn into the trade and talking him down because he only has a year left on his deal...someone who...if they Blues wanted to trade him...could easily get a pick and a prospect.

I get it...everyone on here is jumping down your throat for suggesting this trade...but it's the insistence to justify it in the comments that's really throwing me for a loop

I don't consider Talbot and upgrade with how much cap he takes up. If you don't want him I definitely wouldn't think Toronto is interested. Also this is another way of showing why you aren't in a position to say anything. If you haven't seen Muzzin he has done terrible, terrible.

Leafs need $3.7m left over on this year's cap in order to pay the performance bonuses owed to matthews and marner. Anything less than $3.7 means it gets carried over to next year when we have even less flexibility

I would think Draisaitl's name would need to come up in any Parayko deal

If you're talking about Toronto, they have $20M in deadline cap space, according to CapFriendly. That's not "in a cap crunch".

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

Yes the Blues went out and traded for centers or wings they made centers in Schenn's case. I believe the notoriety will stop when they actually have strong center depth and the team is going somewhere. Being 3rd in the central division doesn't carry the weight that it used to.

And I would agree, Parayko has solid numbers. I have seen Kadri for Parayko that felt like an insult lol. I do see where He is going with this Edmonton does need defense, but if anything it's going to have to be as it was last time around Draisaitl or Klefbom+1st for him which I would say Pietrangelo would be the one to go for either of those deals.

The inconsistency of Talbot is basically saying Toronto would want to upgrade to Jake Allen which it's the same Sparks has been playing better than both of them imo. I just don't see them being interested. Edmonton is going be stuck with him until the end of his contract. I just don't see any other way you can say Talbot is an upgrade. No one should be paying a backup 4 Million dollars. This is the reason Blues got rid of Brian Elliott he was 2.5 Million as a backup and that is just too much money for a backup of his time now it's fine. Unless you are getting a fantastic backup like Khudobin, Dell, Halak, or Miller I don't think you need to be paying a backup that much cap. That's too much cap invested into a guy who most likely won't reach over 30 Games a season.

When it comes to performance bonuses okay whatever you say.

Check the link. If everyone hits their bonuses that's $5.4M. Still leaves $14M+ for deadline acquisitions.

Chill.

Not when Toronto would be taking a 4.66M Contract on they wouldn't have the money for it because of all of the performance bonuses.

Further to Talbot (and all the Toronto media who were saying a backup goalie should be the team's #1 target this TDL)....

the leafs walked away from Pickard and Macelhinney at the end of training camp..knowing they'd get claimed on waivers...because they decided to commit to Sparks.

By trading for another backup...they would either have to use a roster spot to carry a 3rd goalie (4th if you consider part of Hutchinson's contract is on our cap)...or risk sending him down to the marlies and getting claimed on waivers.

I just don't see Dubas wanting to do that. Realistically, for the leafs...it doesn't much matter who the backup is...if Andersen goes down in the playoffs we're pooched.

Flyers fans don't get to chirp. They're even more mediocre than we are .

Very interesting points. Well thought out. It's tough to evaluate Nugent Hopkins production. Obviously he produces a significant portion of his points through time with McDavid. That being said he still produces without him. And Edmonton you have to admit has a pretty putrid offensive situation outside of Nugent Hopkins, Draisaitl, and McDavid.

So the purpose of this trade was an effort for Edmonton to improve their overall team and improve their cap outlook. Obviously this trade will not work. Edmonton may not have any package they can reasonably put up to acquire Parayko outside of Nugent Hopkins or Draisaitl. It would be foolish for Edmonton to make a one for one trade though. Edmonton doesn't have the type of futures needed to get Parayko.

St. Louis has already made many significant moves to return to contender status with little to no success. A trade of Parayko has to drastically improve their offense or their goaltending. It's highly unlikely they will find a trade partner that will offer the kind of return that will actually improve their team.

Always a bridesmaid.... Love,

The Red Wings and Blackhawks.

On a side note you have to hate that Red Wings left for the Eastern Conference. Especially since they're bad now and you could actually at least beat them now.

Yup. All well said.

Certainly just my opinion...but I like the Blues' lineup...to be the only thing they were missing all season was reliable goaltending. They have been getting that recently with Binnington and their recent record kind of speaks for itself.

In all my discussions with Blues fans on this site (and I will say...I find their fan base to be great to chat hockey deals with)...they are willing to listen to reasonable Pietrangelo offers as they aren't sure if he'll remain on the team past next year....but Parayko is a cornerstone piece for them...and it'll take a massive offer (or an equally painful player to part with)..to get them to consider a Parayko deal

Parayko is a cornerstone piece and he should be. I'm not really sure why his name pops up in any trade rumors. Nugent Hopkins should also be viewed as that type of cornerstone player. Unfortunately Edmonton will be forced into making a very painful trade to fix the many disasters that have been done to that roster.

Also, St. Louis fans are great. Even the Ryan Reaves fan that says everything is dumb. Gotta love the passion.

Let's take the 2Cs out. Your proposal is Lucic for Parayko??? No.

False Equivalency.